Now Available, optional Release Candidate Viewer 1.20 RC12

Today we are releasing a new Release Candidate, 1.20 RC12. If you have already been using the Release Candidate (RC11), you will be required to update to RC12 with the latest bug fixes. But, the Release Candidate is always an optional series of viewers that you may choose not to use — or use side by side on your computer with the main viewer which is always offered on our Downloads page (or get.secondlife.com).

As I mentioned in the last RC announcement, we are currently developing code which will enable you to switch the User Interface between the classic grey color or a lighter Dazzle theme (as requested in VWR-5059). But this feature is not yet tested and ready to be released. In the meantime… we are releasing RC12 with the thread monitoring “watchdog” again disabled. Also, we have also eliminated the proposed change to Snapshot behavior that appeared in RC6– in which Uploading a Snapshot would crop your screen to enforce a powers-of-two dimensions.

Please continue to report any new issues in the Issue Tracker and be sure to set “Affects Version/s” to “1.20 Release Candidate”.

To get started with the new Release Candidate, visit the Test Viewers download page (Note: use the links at bottom of page, under Test Viewers)!

Release Notes for Second Life 1.20(12) July 2nd, 2008
=====================================

Fixes:
* Fixed: VWR-7178: ‘Upload a snapshot’ cannot take full screen snapshot; limited to square images
* Fixed: Allow the –set option to be specified multiple times on the command line
* Fixed: Disable the thread monitoring (watchdog) in settings again for the Release Candidate

Localization Fixes:
* Fixed: VWR-7086: floater_buy_land.xml still contains messages regarding First Land

About Ramzi Linden

I am a Project Manager at Linden Lab; and also work on localizations in the Second Life viewer.
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150 Responses to Now Available, optional Release Candidate Viewer 1.20 RC12

  1. Kenny Humby says:

    wow thanks

  2. Zi Ree says:

    I’m waiting for the first person complaining about this optional release not being optional or about that the blue interface looks horrible and why it can’t be changed 😉

  3. Lupercaleb Walcher says:

    HURRAAAYY thanks!

  4. camilla says:

    oh, I sort of liked the square snapshot upload. We had always the possibility to save to disk a fullscreen and upload it.
    Power of 2 snapshots uploads were nice to quickly send a non stretched image to someone. Any chance that we can have a little checkbox to make it optional ?

  5. Cisco Lane says:

    Animated textures were not working in the previous release candidates and still are not.

  6. Ghost Menjou says:

    Another RC update.
    Keep up the good work guys!
    PS : I loved the Power of 2 snapshots more.

  7. Porsupah Ree says:

    Out of curiosity, would you (Ramzi) or anyone else know if the RC12 source can now be built under Leopard for the “development” target again? That broke a while back, leaving only the “deployment” target able to link successfully, without running headlong into a “bl out of range” error, just beyond the 24-bit limit. (If it’s an architecture specific matter, this is a PowerPC system, using Xcode 3.0, gcc 4.0.1)

    Not a huge matter, but there are occasions when being able to remove compiler optimizations can clarify debugging considerably.

  8. Nanci Barthelmess says:

    TWELVE Release candidates? How about releasing a viewer and working on Dazzle or something for the next version. In all honesty, if it takes you twelve times to get a viewer out of beta stage I doubt you’re really trying at all.

    Yes, I’m glad to be able to wear a non-prim skirt again. Yes, I like what I’m seeing, but come on. Twelve RCs is pretty ridiculous.

  9. coventina dalgleish says:

    the blue interface suks oh zi just so you know the second inventory window now opens in less than 5 seconds. You can release as many viewers as you desire but until the game functions properly it is all still just so much eye wash

  10. Zi Ree says:

    @5 Cisco Lane: Works for me.

  11. TyrisFlare nielsen says:

    *This is getting redicuolis*

  12. TyrisFlare nielsen says:

    🙂

  13. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    With the last several updates you have gone a long way in repairing the incredible mess you made of the snapshot function. However, I am disappointed in your continued refusal to recognize how badly you messed up the auto refresh as detailed in https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7353

    You created an incredible inconvenience for those of us who use this function frequently and your only reason seems to be that you feel we are too ignorant to understand that it didn’t work perfectly…so you broke it to make it not work at all.

    Linden labs has made some good strides lately in improving TWO-WAY communications…as in listening to what people tell you instead of just dictating how things will be, right wrong or indifferent. However, this issue and others like it show clearly that you still have a long way to go in that regard. The attitude “My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts” just doesn’t cut it in the professional world.

  14. Missy Malaprop says:

    re: #5 Cisco Lane – animated textures work fine for me, and have on all of the RCs… check to see if you accidentally hit the key combo that disables animated textures.

  15. Alyx Sands says:

    Fix anti-aliasing..pleeeease…..

  16. Slartibartfast Magicthise says:

    why?

  17. Ron Crimson says:

    WELL GREAT I WUZ FORCED 2 DOWNLOAD THIS #$@% UPDATE OPTIONAL MY A** YOU BREAK EVERY RC EVERYTIME YOU RELEASE A NEW ONE DIS SUXX AND THE DAZZLE INTERFACE IS UGLY AS SH#@ WHY IS IT NOT BEING TAKEN OUT!!!

    (Note: this is a purely satirical post, and I’m only writing it so Zi Ree is happy.)

    😉

  18. JZ Paine says:

    Well good a new version. However, two major bugs still haunt the Release Candiates.

    1) Studder stepping.. where a avatar moves his forward key and starts to move then stops and studders for a sec then jumps to the position he/she would have been if he/she had not stopped..

    2) Logging on at home to a house that is above the 768meter mark doesnt get them home. Instead they land in mid air at 768 meters instead of the house and then either falls to the ground or, as i can do, have to climb up to my house.

    Both these have been documented in the Issue Tracker and no need to repeat issuing them again. But better get both these major issues resolved BEFORE you decide to go GOLD with this.

  19. Tycho Beresford says:

    Clicking on a SLURL in a browser does not bring up the LM in SL like the previous RC did. You have to go to your Map and enter everything manually.

  20. I appreciate the many RC’s. If it were otherwise, the complaints about bugs in the official releases would flood the comments. If you look at the history, there has been A LOT of bugs fixed.

  21. June Oh says:

    Still getting people whos avatar not appear just a white cloud.

  22. Catten Carter says:

    Ty for improving the RC viewer. I couldn’t go back to the standard version. This is just much so much nicer, stable and with so many cool new functions to make it easier. Take your time with it and get it perfect

  23. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @ 18 JZ Paine

    I just logged in at home at 3000 meters no problem. I thought that was fixed in a recent server update?

    @ 20 Jetzep

    I agree…this is all about getting things fixed so we don’t have an overwhelming mess when this hits the general public. Overall I like the improvements. It has come a long way. But we still have work to do,

  24. Vivienne Graves says:

    It’s still painfully ugly and essentially unusable; I get eyestrain after thirty minutes of use, which doesn’t happen with 1.19 or earlier. The low-contrast interface of Dazzle is not user-friendly, there have been countless users *telling* you this repeatedly, and yet you haven’t listened. If the point of the release candidate viewers is a) to allow your users to test the software prior to release in order to discover bugs, and b) to generate feedback on new features which will help further the development process, I have to say you’re failing spectacularly at b). Yes, there are ways for the more technically inclined to revert the UI, but when a sizeable percentage of the people who are beta testing your software are telling you the same things, MAYBE you should listen.

  25. ChatNoir Moonsoo says:

    @8: It’s rather obvious you never developed software (and no, 10 lines of Basic don’t count).

  26. Ceera Murakami says:

    * Fixed: VWR-7178: ‘Upload a snapshot’ cannot take full screen snapshot; limited to square images

    THANK YOU! There are many cases where we have precisely the desired aspect ratio on our screen, and want to get as much of the image as we can see. It doesn’t matter if the client squashes that to a 512 x 512 square, because when you display that image on a prim of the correct aspect ratio, it all looks perfect again.

  27. TyrisFlare nielsen says:

    *with all this advertisement on tv why only 60thousound on line?:)

  28. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    Another thing you need to fix before this goes live is the group search. It still uses the broken in world browser function. I haven’t said anything since you backed off using that for the places search because the group search isn’t quite as important. However, it is still a considerable inconvenience to have no ability to search for groups (for those of us for whom the inworld browser does not work). I sort of expected you to go ahead and back this out as you did the places search. I am surprised you haven’t.

    And once again I want to stress that I am all for the move to a full web based search. I would much rather see it fully working than backing out of it. But this may be something that will have to wait for the next viewer update after this one is released.

  29. Thatone Guy says:

    RE: #24

    I don’t know, I have to disagree with you. Seems like they are generating *tons* of feedback that is going to help them further development. Option coming soon to let you switch back to the old UI. Myself personally I can’t stand the look of the old UI and love the new one to peices. There’s a lot of opinions out there, just becuase you get eyestrain and are unhappy after 30 mins of use does not mean we all suffer from that same problem. I’ve found the last 4 RC clients to be great and stable, but that’s just me. We keep submitting feedback and the process moves on. Don’t worry so much about what Linden actually *does* as a result of your feedback. As the people that employ the devolopers, they kinda get the final word on things like this 😛

    On a side note, if you’re getting eyestrain from the RC — did you know you can go into the contral panel for your video card and with almost all modern GPU’s you can adjust contrast/gamma/brightness/digital viberance/etc? Might help make it easier on your eyes. I personally can’t use the RC without a extra bump of gamma and a little more contrast, so I do see where you’re coming from.

  30. Zi Ree says:

    @17 Ron Crimson: Thanks! You made my day 😀

    @24 Vivienne Graves: See my Post #2 😀 They are working on skins, just read the whole blog entry. They *did* listen and they *do* build in skinning support. If only the *users* would listen, we would have lots more space for useful comments on the blog 🙂

  31. Thatone Guy says:

    lolin @ number 25 😛

  32. Rado says:

    After being able to add the performance of Skin change, the one which release is done, as for me thinks that it is wise. Frequent renewal rather troublesome of the user, it just increases. Because it can do SnapShot even with the external software, this time being flurried, as for the necessity release to do that it is not, as for me you think.

  33. Micah Giha says:

    If we use the -login switch on the shortcut under windows XP, the old RC viewer (11) launces, begins the log in, then evaporates with no indication as to why. Some notice should be given in the old viewer as it would for other log in failures.

  34. JJ Niven says:

    I don’t care how many RCs it takes, so long as they get it right. This new release seemed a bit lightweight in terms of new content though. What change was it that made it worth the download?

  35. Balpien Hammerer says:

    BTW, RC11 definitely improved WRT to memory leaks (I updated the bug reports). The fast frame rate degradation that used to happen around RC5-RC10 seems contained. In RC12 there is still a general frame rate drop as time passes, but not nearly as severe as before. VTW, it’s easy to reproduce; just fly across several SIMs.

    Now there are still odd laggy moments in SIM that are not overloaded with textures or scripts. I too see that stutter/stop/hop problem JZ (#18) mentions. It is annoying.

    Can you concentrate on sound playback. Sound queueing is still massively broken with gaps, repeats, even after sound playback has been stopped, for minutes at a time!

  36. Dixie Barbosa says:

    Hmm, the Tools menu still seems to be missing. Is that deliberate or is that something that will be fixed later?

    Or is it just me?

  37. Sedary Raymaker says:

    @24: It’s still painfully ugly and essentially unusable

    *nods* That’s why I like Dazzle. It’s a vast improvement over the ugly old interface that always made me squint because it was so dark. I don’t feel like I’m playing SL in a cave anymore. It’ll be even better once they get the skinning working. Maybe I’ll get the emerald interface I want. Mrr.

  38. Erinyse Planer says:

    @8 rc 12 is a misnomer. rc9 was a totally different viewer then rc 1 through rc8. and the reason at this point there are so many is because they are working on getting the skinning fully operational for dazzle.
    @24. they know they heard. thats what skinning will fix. mean time theres SEVERAL workarounds so stop complaining until you’ve used one. or stop using the rc.

  39. Maerok Westland says:

    DOESNT INSTALL!!!!!

    fix this please, and no its not me, and never had any problems before!!
    Problems opening vaious mozilla DLL components and SLRC dll’s, and the main .exe !

    “Error opening file for writing
    C:\Program Files\SEcondlifereleasecandidate\xul.dll
    Click to abort,retry or ignore”

    not a perms problem my end, nothing has changed for the last dozen releases.

    Not a corrupted download, have downloaded 3 times already!!!!

  40. Sedary Raymaker says:

    @36: The Tools menu is *supposed* to appear when you’re editing an object, but disappears otherwise. I don’t care for that sort of behavior; it’s just shy of those old MS Office menus where the menu items would go away if you hadn’t used them in awhile. Ugh.

  41. salahzar stenvaag says:

    I’m very happy about the fact that Linden did indeed listen to some feedback. What appear very curious is that they originally didn’t state this and tried to pass the new dazzle UI as a matter-of-factly status.. 😦
    I am not aware (correct me if I’m wrong) if there exist any VWR JIRA from users asking for a different UI then the blue classical, so I might assume this comes from some marketing genius 🙂
    It would have been less expensive and more friendly if LL just proposed the interface to a selected sample of people willing to give feedback and/or when presenting the RC they could have asked for feedbacks explicitly and not just trailing to complaints 🙂
    Anyway, I must say that this new habit of providing RC is MUCH better than the original system of just putting in production bugged version as it happened 1 year ago. So something is improving and we should encourage LL to follow up with a shared participation from the users (and possibly not only the users commenting on this blog, but normal users who never come here). They already seem to ask randomically to users at login questions on what people would prefer.
    We should encourage them to keep on this approach, and possibly make people know about results of these surveys so to be completely transparent.
    sal

  42. Jessicka Graves says:

    :/ 2 fixes…I would’ve rather waited for Skinning for RC12 =\

  43. Rado says:

    Why, whether only wastefully, BMP file and the like large file format it does not support it is puzzle. The WEB sight which corresponds to the BMP file although there is only an extent which how counts.

  44. Dixie Barbosa says:

    @40 about tools menu.
    Thanks! I didn’t realize that. actually, it makes sense, but i still need to get used to it i guess.

  45. Lolly says:

    Why, whether only wastefully, BMP file and the like large file format it does not support it is puzzle. The WEB sight which corresponds to the BMP file although there is only an extent which how counts.

  46. JZ Paine says:

    @23 I have friends that are on the newer SIMS and they are not experiencing the problem I am. I am on one of the older SIMS located on the mainland. A lot of problems are now appearing here that dont seem to effect the newer SIMS. Go Figiure!

  47. Kulalyle Anatine says:

    i guess i have to use the new one but cant be much worse then after
    20.9 RC did cant see alpha grid in preview window get fixed btw

  48. Shire Pony says:

    TWELVE release candidates?!

    Look, I’m sure there are quite a few very competent code monkeys over there in Linden land, but to anyone who has ever worked with a team of developers this screams out “Project Mismanagement”.

    A “Release Candidate” is suppose to be considered “Ready for Release” baring any unforeseen major issues. This client should NEVER have come out of beta.

    If the project manager can’t tell the difference between beta and RC then perhaps the Lindens need to start scouting for a new team leader.

    That being said, I have yet to see any performance or usability improvements over the current gold client. This is like going from XP to Vista – it “looks” prettier, but it performs worse.

    I hate to be all negative like this – I’ve been on SL a LONG time and I truly WANT to enjoy it. But honestly, this new client feels like you guys are treading water – that you’ve already hit some sort of ceiling and your users have no “wiz bang neato” features to look forward to.

    How about throwing your user base a bone – open up the vertical area to 4096m for building, increase the outdated sim prim limit, allow users to create prims larger than 10m, allow greater flexibility in altering avatar meshes. These are things that will IMPROVE the user experience instead of just parading an endless stream of RC’s that are actually Beta’s in disguise.

  49. Lina Pussycat says:

    Uhhh What exactly is this thread monitoring ?

  50. Roisin Hotaling says:

    * Fixed: VWR-7178: ‘Upload a snapshot’ cannot take full screen snapshot; limited to square images

    Thanks for finally fixing this!! It’s been bugging me for a long time. Sure, we can save to disk and crop for the aspect ratio we need, but sometimes I just want a snapshot that fits my cycling picture frame, without all that extra labor.

  51. skills says:

    omg someone please delete the whiners and lame off topic posts. reading comments is giving me a headache and its getting worse. crossing fingers for rc dev.

  52. ChatNoir Moonsoo says:

    @48: “A “Release Candidate” is suppose to be considered “Ready for Release” baring any unforeseen major issues. This client should NEVER have come out of beta.”

    Another one who ventures on THAT side of their competence…

    No, an RC IS essentially a beta..a beta close to be ready for production, but not yet verified (which is why one releases an RC if one knows what one is doing).

    It’s like a presidential candidate: not every candidate gets to be president. That’s why they’re called “candidates”, not “presidents”. Same with software. Now could we please get back to productive comments?

  53. Ramzi Linden says:

    @8, @11- Yes there has been a lot of 1.20 Release Candidates, huh!

    The (technical language) reason is that we rebranched this candidate from the code-trunk at RC7, which means it was based on a somewhat different/improved codebase than RC0. (You may recall it was 1.20.7 that introduced a very large slew of new fixes, and even some new features.. we usually don’t do this.) Our intention in this unusual move was to utilize the benefits of some major stability work that hadn’t been ready from RC0 to RC6.

    The faster answer is: We were not satisfied with the stability of RC0 – RC6, so we redoubled our efforts in a second extended cycle. Hence the reason for twice as long. As JetZep and Catten said, it means we had time to do many more bugfixes. I hope the result is a better version 1.20, which everybody wants!

  54. Nathan Zetkin says:

    Please fix the joystick problems with Space Navigator. I want to be able to use it with vehicles again! It not hard. already been fixed by Aimee. Just put it in please.

  55. Darien Caldwell says:

    I’m very disappointed that square snapshots have been eliminated. That is how snapshots have always workd, and having to now save every snapshot to disk, crop it square, and reupload is just ridiculous. Guess I won’t be taking any more snapshots. :\

  56. GC Continental says:

    snapshots… oh good. I’d been waiting for this.

    /me finally grabs (i take zillions of shots).

    @15: do you have an ATI card? If so, go see this:

    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3893

    Is not the client. It’s an ATI driver bug.

  57. It is quite funny to read all this moaning! I can’t remember L being that stable as it was the last 2 weeks also I have nothing to complain about the RC 11 or RC 12, having said that when will people understand that using the RC is optional.

    If there was more contructive criticism instead of unqualified whining probably things would been taken care of faster!

    Just my 2 LindenCents

  58. Shire Pony says:

    @52 “an RC IS essentially a beta”

    Ok, this gave me quite a chuckle. Is this really your response? That the term beta and RC are synonymous? There’s a good reason there are two separate terms for this – they are NOT the same. To use your own analogy – Hillary is NOT a presidential candidate because she never made it out of beta (dem nomination). Obama is a release candidate, as is McCain. But only one of them will become the “Gold Master” 🙂

    As for “getting back to productive comments”, I had hoped my original comment would be considered productive. A long beta cycle for these client viewers allows the Linden team the flexibility to add content and features as well as fix critical bugs. A long RC cycle just makes the end user wonder what the heck is going on.

    Additionally, the features I mentioned are all relevant to the client viewer and are, frankly, much more in demand than simply adding a face lift to the existing viewer.

    My view of the current client vs the RC12 is that there is no significant change in the overall performance, no fundamental changes in usability. I’m hopeful that my comment will be taken not as “whining” but instead as one long time user/builder/developer expressing a hope that maybe the NEXT release will have something really new for us all to enjoy. And that perhaps we can be spared the eternal taunting of an endless series of release candidates.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

  59. Ramzi Linden says:

    @4, 13- Thanks for the feedback focused on snapshots. In fact internal developers have been looking at & evaluating the report VWR-7353, I apologize if no comment was made there.

    As you know in viewer 1.20 we did make some changes to the Snapshot feature that we believed were limited in scope. With your feedback in this RC cycle, we are iterating or reverting some of them which don’t seem fully ‘ready for primetime’. I’ll be sure we post updates in the appropriate Issue in the Issue Tracker.

    @56- the change to Snapshot made today makes this Upload a Snapshot feature dimensions behave THE SAME as the main viewer 1.19.1.

  60. Daten Thielt says:

    @all the people complaning about snapshots, you can make it square again by changing the size, a normal screen is 1024 706, just change it to 512 x 512

  61. Roisin Hotaling says:

    I do kinda wish you hadn’t broken SLURLs, though. *sigh*

  62. TyrisFlare nielsen says:

    i like to see the on line status higher its been the same sense 2003* 😦

  63. la le lu says:

    thats all???????
    3 minor fixes??????
    kidding me!

  64. Keef Klaar says:

    Slightly off topic, but i had to share this 😉

    Q: How many lindens does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A: Only one, but they need to close the whole grid, and roll you back to lighbulb 1.0 to do it 😉

  65. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @ 46, JZ

    I didn’t realize any of the servers were still having problems with the over 768 logins. It was fixed for *me* so I stopped following the issue. I am in one of the newest mainland sims.

    @ 61, Ramzi

    Thank you very much for the update. Good to hear you are considering options. If you fix this I will do a handstand on gov Linden’s mansion 😀

  66. eku Zhong says:

    the first version of this RC worked fine.. beautifully in fact…
    this time.. right out the box… 5 minutes and crash

  67. Vivienne says:

    Pleeeeease fix this:

    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6942

    And yes, it is WAY better to wait with final releases until the RC is REALLY ready for final release, even if it takes a year. I can liv with this, tho it is hard to live with bugs like this one…

  68. Masha Eilde says:

    I’d like to add my voice to the broken Group search – it’s literally unusable. I’ve tried searching for an existing JIRA for it but was unable to find it. Before I go create one, does anyone know of an existing so I’m not duplicating an issue?

    Cheers!
    -M

  69. Ann Otoole says:

    Skins are nice but we already had the workaround to install skins using a procedure a 12 year old could understand. What is more important than a skin interface is a freakin interface for estate managers to be able to send windlight settings to viewers on sim entry. I.e.; See the way the sim is designed. What happened to this mandatory feature promised oh so very long ago?

  70. Thanks! says:

    The methodical progress on this RC has been much appreciated.

  71. mant says:

    any news on the collisions bug?

    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2511

    is there a fix ont he way?

    thanks

  72. Elliott Eldrich says:

    Am still getting occasional freezes with this release on my Gen 1 Mac Pro with the new Nvidia 8800GT video card. Yes, I have the latest version of Leopard (10.5.4), just updated that a couple of days ago. Also, just FYI, the freeze issue seems to be intermittent and sporadic, sometimes the viewer runs great for hours with hardly any lockups, then other times will get pretty bad for a while. Hopefully your developers are honing in on this and coming up with ways to improve this situation.

  73. Datapanic says:

    @Shire Pony: “How about throwing your user base a bone – open up the vertical area to 4096m for building, increase the outdated sim prim limit, allow users to create prims larger than 10m, allow greater flexibility in altering avatar meshes. These are things that will IMPROVE the user experience instead of just parading an endless stream of RC’s that are actually Beta’s in disguise.”

    Shire, have you even =tried= the RC? You can build up to 4096.

    @LL – Keep up the great work, take your time and as many RC’s as it takes to get it right. Also looking forward to Mono on the main grid!

  74. Alyx Sands says:

    #16, Slartibartfast: If you mean me: Well, because it’s BROKEN.
    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6656

    It’s a real pain in the a**e.

  75. Blinders Off says:

    Suggestion: IMO the best thing you could do for snapshots right now would be to allow customers to NAME the snapshots they save to hard drive. I dunno how many snapshots I have that are incorrectly named because they just keep saving under the first name specified. Bleh.

    Also wondering about sound effects. Haven’t heard a thing about fixing the “can’t hear sound effects” problem that I’ve heard mentioned several times. Just curious.

  76. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @ 70 Masha

    there are problems with the inworld browser that make elements that use it nonfunctional, including inworld help, video streams, and various search tabs (all, showcase, and groups). The issue I have been concerned with effects any Mac running full screen.

    https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6000

  77. Ron Crimson says:

    *HUGS*

    I wuv you, Winden Wabs! *purrrrrrrrr*

    Zi Ree: glad you liked my post 😉

  78. Ron Crimson says:

    Oh, and Maerok @ 39 … your failure to install this RC sounds like a harddrive or filesystem problem. Obviously if a file refuses to open for writing, one of your first thoughts should be running chkdsk from a DOS prompt. Sheesh, poor LL can’t be responsible for EVERYTHING. 🙂

  79. @18 JZ Paine My home has been set at 4,000m for the last 3 RC with RC10 being the first one that allowed TP from there to 300m without needing to relog and RC11 is actually quite stable (I have 4 people building at 4,000m). I don’t know why you can’t get above there unless you are still using the old viewer which still has the 768m limit.

    I am really glad that they are iterating these RC’s and NOT forcing them on everyone until they are debugged. I still crash once in a while but I have My sim completely built up with mega prims and buiding all the way to 4,0000m… IMNSHO they are getting better, they are doing due diligence and they are listening to the bugs being reported and voted on so if your favorite “bug” isn’t moving forward, then get your friends off the production viewer onto the RC and have them vote and open bug reports…

    I can’t wait until they release the RC as required update to hear all the whining about how bad the release is by people who never tried the RC nor ever tried to contribute to the process to make it better.

    If everyone used the RC and reported the bugs they found and voted on the things they thought were important then, perhaps they would see action taken on their favorite failing.

  80. Shire Pony says:

    @75 “You can build up to 4096”

    Son of a… yes, I have been trying the RC’s, no I didn’t notice they unlocked this. Arggg…

    @LL: My heartfelt apologies – you guys really ARE on the ball after all 🙂

  81. Nacre Swindlehurst says:

    *down on knees begging* pleeeeeese don’t remove the square snapshots. If I want a different format, I can save to disk. The square snaps are truly a way to save a bunch of steps.

    Of course, you could always let people specify the size on the dialog that takes the shots.

  82. KellyM Watkins says:

    Cant be bothered to read through the above 😆 to tired. But has the Custom saved colour thing been fixed? As in when you make a new colour in the Pallette and drag and drop it, it disappears when you relog 😐

  83. Ramzi Linden says:

    @81- It’s a good example about how different people use the Snapshot feature differently and thus how even a minor feature change is very contentious among use cases.
    It is probably safest, therefore, not to change this from the 1.19.1 main viewer until these cases are well understood (which is what we have done today). Perhaps it means we could gather up all proposed feature changes in the Issue tracker (or even a wiki page) for comprehensive consideration about what Snapshots should evolve to?

  84. Ramzi Linden says:

    @28, 68- regarding Search>Groups. One such issue is VWR-7926. Residents have raised a legitimate point that the web-based search on groups does eliminate the ability to sort results by # of members. It is something the Search team may be able to address in a future phase. The benefits of this phase is M-U-C-H better text matching, especially for multi-word queries (eg “car shop”), and significant reductions in database load that should help everybody.

    @28- The inability to use the inworld web pane browser is known in full screen mode for some Macs (VWR-6000). We are working on that bug. Is there another you are referring to?

  85. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @ 84, Ramzi

    Yes, it is VWR-6000 i was referring to (I guess that’ll teach me not to forget the jira number when I post about an issue). I am soooooo glad to hear that you are moving ahead with this. I REALLY am looking forward to the change to web based search. Yeah…there will be a couple drawbacks and problems, of course, but the overall gain from this will be great! The sooner the better.

  86. yuriko nishi says:

    nice update. runs great for me so far.

    now, can we have a new avatar mesh pretty please? 😀

  87. Argent Stonecutter says:

    Thank you for reverting the snapshot behavior!

    If the RC process is going to continue for much longer, could you release an interim version of 1.19 with support for the full Havok4 building limits?

  88. Your Conscience says:

    The new iteration is running just fine for me. I’m not complaining about the number either. The more the better.

    However, I think that Argent has a good point. It might be good to release a build of the 1.19 that has the H4 building limits and benefits.

    By the way, THANK YOU LL for changing the transparent textures, renaming the default media texture, and putting them into the library! This was a wonderful change, and I am very grateful for it. I’ve already started using both the media texture and the fully transparent texture in my builds!

  89. Anek Fuchs says:

    I have only been on SL a little over two months or so, and I have not had a lot of the problems I see everyone complaining about. I update every time there i one available, and I continue on, performing live for audiences of up to 98 per sim, without much problem, other than the occasional sim shut down form overwhelming it with people.
    If I may use this as a suggestion box, all though there may already be an answer to my request, I would LOVE to be able to take photos from Mouse Aim . . . I have not yet found a way to do that, so that is my only complaint.

  90. Noderas Ragu says:

    Thank you for the update, but i seem that i cant install SL RC 1.20.12, It keeps saying Error installing : SecondLifeReleaseCanidate.exe and other stuff like openjpeg.dll and xui.dll
    Anyway, Keep up the good work !

  91. Tatiana Niven says:

    @89 Anek Fuchs: Use the keyboard shortcuts to take snapshots from mouselook. CTRL-SHIFT-S or CTRL-`

  92. Gray Beam says:

    Just out of curiosity, and the watchdog thread be made optional with a settable time out? sometimes the client hangs and you end up waiting forever, or having to shut down manually. Generally, for me, if it hangs for more that about 45 seconds, it’s gonna crash – but I still have to wait for another minute and a half, oe kill it manually, in some cases.

    If I were having problems, being able to turn onth watchdog at 45-50 sedconds, and getting it shut down and reported, I would be happy.

  93. Masha Eilde says:

    @84:

    The issue I have it that the results are literally unclickable when I search for a group with the new HTML based search. The only way for me to open a group is to find it in someone’s profile and open it there.

    It’s entirely broken for me. PC, Windows XP Pro, all updates.

  94. Masha Eilde says:

    Okay, if anyone else is unable to click on Group search results in the RC, please vote here:

    https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8039

    Cheers!
    -M

  95. I am saddened to hear so many people complain about there being so many versions of a Release Candidate. That is the *whole* purpose of a Release Candidate….work out all the bugs before it becomes the main viewer! If it takes 1000 releases of a Release Candidate to get it right, that is much preferred over 2 or 3 or 6, that get it wrong when it becomes the primary viewer. After all, until LL gets this RC just right, we *still* have the main viewer from which to operate. I personally would rather have a nw main viewer that has been tested and retested and bug-fixed so many times, that by the time it does become the main viewer, it is all but perfect. Keep up the good work, LL, and don’t let the nay-sayers bring ya’ll down!

  96. Sergeant Benton says:

    The debate over beta vs RC goes on well beyond Linden Labs. The old RC concept of “If no bugs are found we’ll ship it” has long since gone away. However, one fundamental difference does seem to be being violated here, which is that an RC is supposed to be “feature complete”. Betas can be incomplete and released before all the planned functionality is there. RCs are supposed to include only bug fixes. Sometimes you might remove a feature that just wont work, but you should NEVER add another feature during the RC cycle. Save it for the next Beta cycle.

  97. Coby Foden says:

    Please, bring the BLINKING IM tabs back. We really do need them. I do not understand why do you take off GOOD features and replace them with bad ones. As it it is now, when we have many IM tabs opened, it is VERY difficult to see when new message line has been written by someone. Continuosly blinking IM tabs served the alerting purpose extremely well. Pretty PLEAAASE…

  98. Moby McCarey says:

    Just to say that I totally agree with Amber Palowaksi (95).
    There will always be unsatisfied people (I should say “users”) who won’t be able the 1/10 of the LL developers work.
    Developers are doing a great job even if sometimes there are some issues. But it’s the RC rules.
    And yes, positive comments can be done when things are good.
    Thank you for your work.

  99. Zi Ree says:

    @97 Coby Foden: Please add your vote and voice here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4575

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  101. Ron Crimson says:

    I love release candidates. Let’s release another 12 of them! 😀

  102. Tegg B says:

    Nanci Barthelmess Says: “TWELVE Release candidates? How about releasing a viewer and working on Dazzle or something for the next version. In all honesty, if it takes you twelve times to get a viewer out of beta stage I doubt you’re really trying at all.”
    So if you were in charge we would all be stuck with borky 1.20.5 for months till 1.21.0 is released because 6 RC’s are too many?
    They fix things and people make a drama queen song and dance about the number they call it?

  103. TyrisFlare nielsen says:

    lol @101 comment :)=

  104. TyrisFlare nielsen says:

    wishes the best for all the Lidens Good Luck !!!! Kepps her fingures crossed and hope the updates will succeed! and hope they have a good holiday weeked happy fourth everyone!!!! 🙂

  105. votslav hax says:

    Is there even the remote chance of reevaluating the group notice … The size of the existing ‘popup’ is to large and could be reconfigured smaller to accomodate the same amount of info… And the ability to just ‘clear’ the ‘collected’ notices would greatly enhance the visability and access to the ‘sl world’ that exists behind it….. Great Job Linden .. it’s obvious the ‘team’ has been working hard to stabalize and enhance…kudos from a ‘faraway’ corner of sl…

  106. Sandor Balczo says:

    Even this newest RC is a memory hog for the Mac. Before someone tells me to upgrade my machine…I don’t think so. I have the newest iMac with a 3.05 Ghz processor, an Nvidia GForce 8800 GS with 256 MB of dedicated RAM and THREE GB of RAM!!! The latter are all eaten up after a sequence of freezes and sudden quits until I get a kernel panic (the worst one, without warning).

    It is really scandalous that after all these months the “memory unreleased” problem is still unresolved!

    Sandor Balczo

  107. Ron Crimson says:

    @ 106: Then shut up and help LL *find* the problem. Lemme tell you what’s scandalous, it’s people like you who complain and have NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE to offer while they labor hard behind the scenes to give you exactly what you’re asking for. X-(

  108. Shire Pony says:

    @107 Stop being such a prima donna Ron. Sandor’s comments are completely on target – reporting excessive memory consumption on a Mac. Not everyone can provide a kernel dump with a call stack for the Lindens to trace.

    Generalized comments here are every bit as useful as detailed ones to the Linden’s team. It’s called feedback. If the Lindens wanted nothing but detailed program level responses they would exclusively use a separate developers blog for it rather than a public forum like this.

    And one other thing – those “hard laboring” Linden code monkey’s get paid. I would wager they are all delighted to have such a fun job and take any comments in these blogs with a grain of salt. These guys usually code for one of two reasons – they love it (which is why I do it), or they love the pay check (ok, I love that too ). So stop trying to defend them, they don’t need it.

    @96 “…but you should NEVER add another feature during the RC cycle. Save it for the next Beta cycle.”

    That’s absolutely spot on. The idea that features were added and the code was actually branched (at RC7) blows my mind. At least one feature I had been waiting anxiously for was added mid RC cycle – so I never bothered to even check. Just a fluke that someone pointed it out.

    The viewer development cycle needs to get formalized. This hodge podge management style can only lead to an increase in unanticipated bugs and wasted man hours. This is exactly the sort of vague project handling that caused Vista to run aground.

  109. Wanja Lubitsch says:

    Twelve Release candidates IS …er… unusual.

    Adding new features in a release candidate (as Ramzi wrote) is not the fine art of software engineering.
    But LL is always happy to add new features.

    Anyway, I can see that the RCs get better, that counts. After all, it’s just a naming convention. They COULD also skip the 1 in the release number 1.20.12 because they’d never make a release 2…
    So what we have is 20.12, increasing weakly weekly.

    (ChatNoir Moonsoo, I would not hire you as a release manager. Maybe LL would)

  110. Ron Crimson says:

    Primadonna? Me? LOL… I was having a beef with the misplaced use of the word “scandalous”, that’s all. 😛 Yeah, I know LL doesn’t need me to defend them. Nor do you need to defend the angry mob. 😛

  111. Elliott Eldrich says:

    Well, I was trying to use the release candidate today, and it was just locking up horribly over and over again. Still work to do here folks. Very frustrating. Back to *sigh* – 1.19.0.5 for me…. again.

  112. Emperor Magne says:

    I really see the hand of M Linden behind all these RCs. I think He understands that we can wait a lil longer for a new version, instead of just getting the last brand new release with lots of bugs, like it happened in the last change. I still have hope.

  113. DhouZhang Fhang says:

    Things were going nice and fine with this – Viewer Crash was down to once every hour or even longer and then the new “compulsory” Viewer Client comes out and cancels out all the viewer fixes in this release candidate. C’mon, Lindens – can we please have some consistency?

  114. DhouZhang Fhang says:

    Oh and a little side note – everyone just ignore Ron Crimson, he’s just a brown-noser who has nothing better to do than rub it into everyone’s face that he’s in the back pocket of lindens and can afford to spend hundreds on hardware for every upgrade – unlike the rest of us. Yes, Ron – hundreds. Do you know that NVidia Video cards Series 7900 and onwards cost in excess of AU$200? That’s over a hundred in US dollars. Gee, glad you have that sort of money to throw around everytime Linden Labs decide to upgrade.

  115. Sandor Balczo says:

    To Ron Crimson:

    I use the jira and I am perfectly able to report a problem with detailed information and a log when my iMac is able to produce it, i.e., when it does not freeze. So, before jumping to conclusions, please verify.

    The memory consumption problem has been going on for months and it is scandalous, there is no other word for it, and this word is correct, please look it up on the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

    And I decided to complain about the memory consumption problem here because, as I was always told during months of use of SL blog comments pages, this appears to be the only way people can make themselves heard with some effect.

    And I feel Mac users have been neglected as of late, which is not a good sign for a company that has always supported the Mac platform quite well. Before you say that Mac OS X is used by a limited amount of residents, think again.

    The problem is scandalous because the system requirements are getting more demanding BUT the same problems stay when they do not get WORSE.

    I spent over US$3,400 on a new iMac to be able to use all the features included in the SL Windlight/Dazzle browser and I crash more than I used to with the older iMac of 2006. I cannot even force quit SL sometimes because the computer freezes with no warning, which is the worst example of kernel panic!

    I call that scandalous and believe me, my Mac is not the culprit.

    There is a Jira ticket which is opened, closed and reopened frequently on this problem and an earlier poster on this page complained about it more quietly than I did.

    Well, I have had enough of keeping quiet, and as I can see from the reactions I get in other comments page to whatever I write, I and a few other posters with brains tend to be targeted constantly as soon as we say something decent in proper English with correct spelling and choice of words. Therefore, I think I will start using the same method you use and criticize you and anyone else for no reason in the future. That is the only way some people like to communicate here!

    I would like to remind you and anyone else who behaves like you that SL is full of different individuals exactly like RL, but some of us can only get a definite amount of insults (express or implied) or neglect, after which we leave. The more of us leaving, the worse for SL. And therefore, for you, as you would have no one left to criticize and die of boredom.

    To Shire Pony:

    Thank you. You further developed on what I meant and were the second person defending what I said in one year of SL. Not a high percentage, but one good reason to stay a little longer.

    Sandor Balczo

  116. Ron Crimson says:

    Whatever *shrugs* o_O

  117. Rascal Retelle says:

    unable to use RC12 on Mac OS X PPC.

    Consistent lock ups and hangs wile textures, prims, av’s and clothing are loading. New and reoccurring memory leaks. RC continues to perform poorly on Mac OS X PPC.
    Loading will not complete.

  118. Rascal Retelle says:

    @115

    THANK YOU

    I totaly agree with you.

    Mac OS X PPC is even more neglected.

    If the the system requirements continue to get more demanding, I as well as many other Mac users and windows users will have to quit SL for good.

  119. Nanci Barthelmess says:

    @102:
    Actually what I was suggesting is that 1.20 come out (without Dazzle if need be) and then do BETA testing, not mis-named RC’s, to get Dazzle ready to rock. But this is a Catch-22 situation. When they put out a dozen RC’s you have some people fussing about who far off common practice LL is (regardless of what the fanbois say). If they had put out a viewer based on the RC-6 code people would have been screaming about how many things were still broken.

    But perhaps that’s part of the problem with ditching the open beta phase and leap frogging it to get right to RC’s. Most software companies do beta testing for a reason. Is it our fault that LL dances to it’s own drummer?

  120. Ron Crimson says:

    Today I woke up and it was a beautiful new morning, so I came here again…

    To Sandor: You’re right. I apologize.

    To Shire and DhouZhang: Funny how you go all sensitive on being insulted but proceed to call me primadonna, brown-nosed and (for some incomprehensible reason beyond me) apparently rich. (My machine is actually fairly average and >1 year old… and has an ATI videocard.) I think that’s called hypocrisy. No cookies for you. 😛

  121. Maverick Offcouse says:

    I dont know what happed to this version of release candidate, but my videocard (ATI X1950) now crash continuously. I had to go back to the normal release.

  122. Shire Pony says:

    @120 The voices in Ron Crimson’s head made him say:
    “No cookies for you!”

    I prefer apples and carrots myself, so I’m good.

    Here’s a couple actual bugs I’ve noticed that may or may not have already been reported:

    Search: The results list is duplicated – ie: if 10 results are returned, the list contains those 10 followed by the same 10 repeated at the end

    MiniMap: Objects above 768m appear on the mini map as though they are at 0m. This may be an overflow condition and potential memory leak.

    MiniMap: Avatars above 768m apear on the mini map as though they are at 0m. Again, this may be an overflow condition and potential memory leak.

  123. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @ 122 Shire

    The mini-map avatar height indicator problem over 768 is jira issue https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6484

  124. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @122 Shire again. I have been unable to duplicate your problem with the search. I have also been unable to find any related jira issue. Could you please open one and explain the problem in detail there including what you are searching for as well as your system information?

  125. Ron Crimson says:

    Mav @ 121: By “normal release,” do you mean 1.20RC11 or 1.19.1.4? Did you possibly update your ATI card drivers along the way? All of the RCs have been working fine on my X1650Pro…

  126. Felix Oxide says:

    The memory leak is worse than ever. I now get out of memory errors after running SL for a few hours. I have to minimize to desktop for about 10 seconds to make SL free up memory.

    CPU: Intel Core Series Processor (1828 MHz)
    Memory: 2047 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce Go 7600/PCI/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.1

  127. DhouZhang Fhang says:

    So you’re computer’s 1 years old, hey ron? Gee, I’m really glad you could afford to by a computer a year ago. And i’m not being a hypocrite – your own words and the way insist on insulting others speak louder than anything else and totally back up what i said. You getting offended at that says something about you, Ron. I’m not overly sure of the US prices for hardware but i do know that everything in australia (for some stupid, unknown political reason our previous govt couldn’t explain) is a minimum of 110% on top of the US Dollar. So that puts a 7700 series video card at around the US$100 dollar market. Glad can you can afford that every SL upgrade, Ron. How about doing something useful with your life and actually be nice to people who aren’t you and Linden Labs? How about actually listening to what people are saying and not what you want to hear?

  128. Ron Crimson says:

    You just like to hear yourself talk, don’t you, DhouZhang? This is bordering on ridiculous.

  129. Shire Pony says:

    @124

    Open Search –> Classifieds.
    Set the search type to “Shopping”
    Enter “fourth of july” and click “search”

    There are 17 results returned – times two (list duplicated)

  130. Shire Pony says:

    Just in case it’s relevant:

    Second Life 1.20.12 (90824) Jun 27 2008 21:30:48
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Series Processor (3005 MHz)
    Memory: 8191 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista x64 Ultimate Service Pack 1
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7950 GT/PCI/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

  131. Tegg B says:

    DhouZhang Fhang Says: So you’re computer’s 1 years old, hey ron? Gee, I’m really glad you could afford to by a computer a year ago. And i’m not being a hypocrite – your own words and the way insist on insulting others speak louder than anything else and totally back up what i said. You getting offended at that says something about you, Ron. I’m not overly sure of the US prices for hardware but i do know that everything in australia (for some stupid, unknown political reason our previous govt couldn’t explain) is a minimum of 110% on top of the US Dollar. So that puts a 7700 series video card at around the US$100 dollar market. Glad can you can afford that every SL upgrade, Ron. How about doing something useful with your life and actually be nice to people who aren’t you and Linden Labs? How about actually listening to what people are saying and not what you want to hear?
    Hmm I call your assertion at a need to upgrade graphics cards every upgrade as rubbish.
    And if the brand new card you brought for version 1.19 won’t run 1.20 then you obviously allowed no forethought into future expansion.
    Perhaps people who think they can run high demanding 3D graphics program like SL for years on the same PC should try something else less evolving where they update once a year.
    Maybe SL should run a no windlight, no sculpty, no flexy grid for those people where they live in their un changing fantastic little stagnating world forever. Better yet maybe they should band together on Opensim and set up their own bastion of 2003 based worlds.

  132. Cotytto Bonetto says:

    @129 Shire. I get 14 results with that search and no repeats. I recommend, once again, that you open a jira issue on this. That is the best place to report such bugs. Others can comment there if they have the same issue and it can be looked into in depth.

  133. Shire Pony says:

    Strange… must be some kind of a cache issue – it’s easily reproducible on my workstation even across logins.

    Entering “Fourth of” returns proper results. But “Fourth of J” returns the duplicate list.

    *shrugs*

    If it’s still there in RC27 I’ll open a ticket 🙂

  134. Rascal Retelle says:

    @ Ron ATI-X1650Pro…video card is a high end high performance expensive video card not every one can afford here nor is the ATI video card type compatible with some computers like Macs.

    FYI, when hardware or soft ware says Pro. on it it usualy means it’s a professional high end high and /or high performance product, and usually aren’t cheep.

    And I agree with 127, you could be a little nicer and a little more understanding

  135. Ron Crimson says:

    Rascal @134: Hey, I’ve done my apologizing…sheesh, when did my name become the definition of ‘RC’? (That’s a joke, btw.)
    And I *wish* my card was high-end and all that… you’re obviously not up to speed on the graphics card market. I invite you to visit newegg.com and browse some products, read reviews and compare prices. You won’t see my videocard in the “high-end, professional, expensive” crowd.

  136. Shire Pony says:

    I’m afraid Ron is right on that one. The 1650 is pretty far from “high end” unless you’re comparing it to an onboard intel graphics chip. But the fact is, you don’t need the latest and greatest to run SL. The 1650 does just fine, as does my (practically antique) NVidia 7950.

    IMO, to run the SL client requires a moderately powered graphics card from NVidia or ATI (usually $80US these days) and as much ram as you can afford (2gb is about $43US).

    It *helps* to have a dual or quad core processor, but it seems to be more important that you have plenty of ram. And honestly, there’s little excuse not to have AT LEAST 2gb of memory and either a 7 series nvidia card or a 1000 series ati card on a machine you plan to run an advanced 3D application like SL.

    Also, just to make this post relevant here – I’ve not seen any change in overall hardware requirements from 1.19 to 1.20, so no one is implying you need to update your hardware everytime a new client is released.

  137. foe says:

    I was enjoying the latest RC,
    but it’s been crapping out the last couple of days, mem error w/ one computer, on 2 gigs of ram w/ nothing running but the RC
    and the general old bugs, couple of crashes, thought we were getting somewhere or maybe I’m just spoiled on Nicholaz.

  138. Tegg B says:

    Shire Pony Says: “I’m afraid Ron is right on that one. The 1650 is pretty far from “high end” unless you’re comparing it to an onboard intel graphics chip. But the fact is, you don’t need the latest and greatest to run SL. The 1650 does just fine, as does my (practically antique) NVidia 7950.”

    It does fine now but there is little chance a minimum spec card now will still run SL in 2 years, maybe even only 12 months time. You would be better saving the extra and waiting as long as possible for the best you can afford, I wouldn’t think anything less than 8800 specs would be a wise decision, especially since they have dropped heaps in price over the last 3 years.
    Peopl buy a minumum spec machine now then in 6 months time will be blaming LL for their brand new PC no longer running SL.

    “Also, just to make this post relevant here – I’ve not seen any change in overall hardware requirements from 1.19 to 1.20, so no one is implying you need to update your hardware everytime a new client is released”

    Actually someone did 🙂
    DhouZhang Fhang Says: “So that puts a 7700 series video card at around the US$100 dollar market. Glad can you can afford that every SL upgrade, Ron.”

  139. Shire Pony says:

    @138 The voices in Tegg B’s head told him to say:
    “…there is little chance a minimum spec card now will still run SL in 2 years, maybe even only 12 months time.”

    Actually, I’m not sure that’s true. The Lindens have gone out of their way to make sure that the client is tunable to the available hardware. So in two years, it may be that you will miss out on some of the newer features, but you’ll still be able to run the client.

    Also, my lil 7950GT runs this thing at 1920×1200 with the graphics “Quality and Performance” set to “Ultra” and my draw distance set to 512m and I still average 30fps or better in most places.

    But naturally, you get what you pay for. You can’t skimp on hardware and then be all shocked that it doesn’t perform as well as the high end stuff.

    RC12 does seem to suffers from a stuttering unfortunately that I don’t see on the 1.19 client under the same conditions. But apart from that and the retina burning UI, it seems to be fairly stable. God knows as a builder I’m loving having the new ability to build at high altitude… makes all the other RC bugs tolerable.

  140. Ramzi Linden says:

    @92 Gray- the watchdog timeout is actually settable, but not from Preferences. Remember it is an debugging option that is only used in early Release Candidates, so it is controlled in ..SecondLifeReleaseCandidate\app_settings\settings.xml under MainloopTimeoutDefault, 20.0 . It currently turned off completely in this RC12, though.

    @96 Sergeant, @108 Shire, @109 Wanja- No argument here about what an ideal Release Candidate “should” be. One of our limitations is currently just the lean-mean-release-team we have; it would be heavily taxing on engineering resources to run an RC viewer AND a beta cycle viewer (…AND sometimes a First Look cycle) all at the same time. We also have beta server deploys to manage and track too. We are currently working to expand the viewer to an earlier ‘beta’ pass with a limited audience; give us a little more time to bang out that process & resources.

    Another way to look at this cycle, or the rebranch/feature additions at RC7 is: We came to 1.20 RC6 and weren’t satisfied, so we scrapped it and began what might have been called 1.21 RC0 in another universe. We’re bringing you 2 viewers’ worth, for the price of 1, but the timesink of 2. 🙂

  141. Ramzi Linden says:

    @105 votslav- Turns out there is! The presentation of notifications in the viewer, including those blue Group Notify’s, is being redesigned over the medium term. The project is tracked in the Issue Tracker at
    VWR-4832.

  142. shockwave yareach says:

    Kudos to your dev team for the Viewer! I was hesitant (okay, scared damp) to try the RC because your previous stuff hasn’t exactly been stable. But I’m very pleased with this new RC – most of the memory holes seem to be fixed, and I ran for hours and hours without crashing! I even have about 50% more FPS under windlight. I love this! Thank you, thank you so much for this grand improvement in the SL experience.

    If I complain about what is broken, I also give praise where it is earned. Excellent work this time around.

  143. Rascal Ratelle says:

    @136

    My computer MEETS the min requirements set out by Linden Labs, But SL viewers are becoming more and more demanding on the CPU with every upgrade and change.
    while I appreciate the long hours LL has put into the RC project, YOu can not ignore the fact that more and more computers are having performance issues when it comes to running SL.

    There are whys to rectify this, their are ways to code a viewer to be less demanding on the CPU and OS systems but LL has not and will not explore that avenue.

    Again the full extent of SL’s viewers performance problems is NOT know due to the fact that MOST people using SL refuse to report to jira or post here, most people are keeping silent about and can’t be bothered to report and vote.

    but because LInden Labs Devs can only investigate bugs reported to jira by the few, we have to contend with a lot of bugs that go unreported and unfixed.

  144. Rascal Ratelle says:

    @ 139

    Right but what about those of us that can’t afford the hardware we can’t skimp on?
    100-200$ US is a lot of money to spend just to play SL.

    @ 135

    Any thing with PRO on it is still higher end, and high performance.

    Anything with PRO on it is still more expensive.

    Anything that can run SL with all the settings full up is high performance blazing fast, it has to be to run SL with all the settings full up.

  145. DhouZhang Fhang says:

    Thankyou Rascal – another voice of reason in the madness. The “people” who say that it is not expensive to buy a computer or upgrades – who say we shouldn’t skimp – obviously don’t know what it’s like on the other side of the tracks. In RL, I’m ona disability pension through no fault of my own. I have my govt rent taken out immediately from the rest – depending on when my payments fall – I then have to buy groceries, pay phone, internet, Gas, Electricity, payTV, contents insurance and AU$15 to a charity. Yes, the Gas/Electricity are quarterly’s but the rest are not. In the past, I have been fortunate enough that my mother’s (then) partner was a computer expert and was able to get computers through him. But that is no longer the case. Essentially, after all is said and done, I am lucky to have AU$40 to myself to last me a fortnight once everything else is paid. This is why my accounts are free accounts. I just think that certain people should take into consideration that just because they’re better off, not everyone else is. Linden Labs should also take this into consideration and develop their game to run on all systems created from 2000 onwards – not just the latest and greatest.

  146. Zi Ree says:

    I find it interesting that my trusty, old machine from 2001 (upgraded with an NVidia 7800 graphics card) does not show any performance decrease on 1.20.12 compared to the old 1.18 series. Not even with windlight shaders enabled.

    And “PRO” doesn’t stand for anything, it’s just marketing. You can stick “PRO” to any product. It’s not a meaasure of quality or price.

    “Anything that can run SL with all the settings full up is high performance blazing fast, it has to be to run SL with all the settings full up.”

    My machine runs SL with all settings full up (except for drawing distance (192 meter) and particles (4096) because it doesn’t make sense otherwise). And my machine is *old*. It’s not even dual core. It doesn’t even do Hyperthreading. It doesn’t even use PCIExpress. It’s an AMD643200+ with 2 GB of RAM, an NVidia 7800 GTS AGP(!) graphics card with 512 MB of memory. And still, it runs very very well.

  147. Tegg B says:

    DhouZhang Fhang Says:”Thankyou Rascal – another voice of reason in the madness. The “people” who say that it is not expensive to buy a computer or upgrades – who say we shouldn’t skimp – obviously don’t know what it’s like on the other side of the tracks. In RL, I’m ona disability pension through no fault of my own. I have my govt rent taken out immediately from the rest – depending on when my payments fall – I then have to buy groceries, pay phone, internet, Gas, Electricity, payTV, contents insurance and AU$15 to a charity. Yes, the Gas/Electricity are quarterly’s but the rest are not.”
    You “HAVE” to pay for payTV at its vampiric rates? How much a month would that give you to spend on a better computer. I can’t afford payTV but I can afford to upgrade my computer every 2 years.

  148. Dee Tunwarm says:

    @147 …. AU$55.95 a month … and that is with the basic package and sports package. I don’t consider that “Vampiric” when you consider that a new computer with all the gadgets costs upwards of AU$1800. And by the time I’ve saved up for that, it’s out of date and the latest one out is AU$400 more.

  149. Arri Gaffer says:

    Thanks to the Lindens who obviously did some work to the mac RC client. I have to say that my SL experience has been good with the new clients. It was pain to hack older working versions so they would ignore the forced update thingy.
    The Dazzle colors still blow and but that’s a minor point.
    That said I also think the client in general is a kludge but for the complexity and amount of work it has to do, you can’t knock it too much if you consider it as a starting point. One day maybe the client development will settle when it is doing what it should and reliably. Hopefully the resources will be available in the future to chuck the current code and redo it with a more focused, efficient approach.
    But thanks none the less.
    🙂 Arri

  150. Sue Saintlouis says:

    I’m on an iMac, and this RC client flickers in a variety of colors. Very hard to do anything and hard on the eyes.
    Mac OS X 10.5.3
    Processor 2.4Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
    ATI,RadeonHD2600

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