Play parcel music – Video Tip of the Week #33

I show you how to play parcel music in Second Life — including Internet radio stations — in less than 10 minutes! Yes, it’s really that simple, and along the way, I highlight good things to know.


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00:17 – Setup Second Life for playing music
01:49 – Get a music URL from your web browser
02:44 – Play a music URL in Second Life
03:38 – Find Internet radio stations to play in SL
05:19 – View a playlist file to get the music URL (in iTunes)
06:29 – Get the music URL (in Winamp)
06:59 – Get the music URL (in a text editor)
07:29 – More radio stations to get music URLs
08:20 – Working URLs do not end in M3U or PLS
09:38 – Hide a music URL

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149 Responses to Play parcel music – Video Tip of the Week #33

  1. Papadave Darwin says:

    Is there a way to play my own MP3’s or video’s in SL?

  2. U M says:

    How abouts you stop posting these uselessness facts when we are not being able to login to the grids and you keep avoiding answering the peoples on getting refunds for your failings to deliver services relaibly ?

    Why do you keep avoiding questioning on how it is illegal to play stuff for others broadcasting that you dont owns ?

    Why dont you answer the people?

  3. Zag McMillan says:

    Once again an amusing and (for most ppl I guess) interesting vid tutorial by Torley. I must say, I’m getting to like this guy 🙂
    I would have liked to have those tutorials at hand a year ago or so…

    For guys like #2, why are you whining in EVERY post on this blog here? Can’t you imagine that in a company as big and multi-faceted like lindenlabs, there are different people for different tasks? I’m quite sure Torley isn’t one of those guys who plug the cables in, as well as the technicians are not doing anything in customer ralations’ fields.
    I know that there are serious issues with the service, as well as there are serious ‘issues’ with customer relation management – but whining at Torley is for sure a useless action, so just stop howling in wrong directions.

    To Torley: Keep up with your great work, I’m looking forward to the next tutorial (if it’s useful for me or not, doesn’t matter – I just like them) and maybe come around for a tea and lets swap some watermelons for bananas…

    Y’all – have a great day,
    Zag

  4. Michael Timeless says:

    Torley
    Another good post. It’s sad that you do your job so well when it comes to communicating. It really emphysizes the lack of communications that is becoming so commonplace here. Most of us have simply given up on having a stable environment and are now looking at your examples for use in the next company’s stable/trustworthy environment. Please, by all means, keep up the good work. You are part of what a virtual world should be, and isn’t.

    Mike

  5. Papadave Darwin says:

    @3, “For guys like #2, why are you whining in EVERY post on this blog here?”
    Couldn’t agree more and . . .
    “Can’t you imagine that in a company as big and multi-faceted like lindenlabs, there are different people for different tasks? ”
    No, and they never will, some people just like to whine to hear themselves whine either that or they are looking for some cheese to go with it 🙂

    and to Torley, yes, please keep up the good work!

  6. Kwame Oh says:

    Any answer to Papadave Darwin’s question about streaming video?

  7. Zag McMillan says:

    @1 & 6 …. sure there are answers. If anyone needs a hand in configurating such things, you’re welcome to contact me inworld or by email through our website. This blog might not be the right place to discuss this 😉
    Sorry to occupy a second slot here, I could have said that before…

    Have a great day, y’all,
    Zag

  8. U M says:

    Torley Linden , This is the real Usagi M usashi…. Not the person faking to be me and looking for problems…..Anyoe can see this troll is looking for problems and i hope Torley Linden gives it to him. Look at the small graphic and you can tell the fake U M from me. Stupid childish blog games for some is what his type lives for….

  9. FireFox Bancroft says:

    Hah, now we have Blog impostors trying to make it look like we’re angry at LL. This is an all new low for the whiners.

  10. U M says:

    It seems that the person faking to be me indeed is not as smart as he thinks….They catch him sooner or later. But they need to plug this hole before more people continues to fake others on the blog……

  11. Ephemral Tigerpaw says:

    As always another great video. Even the ones with information I can’t use yet I enjoy because you’re so fun to just listen to. I thank you for the video and many thanks for the web site links.

    Ending the video with Iron Man FTW.

  12. BlueWall says:

    Hi Torley! Thanks for all the tutorials!

    It would be more than awesome if media urls could be assigned to a prim, for portable media (vehicle/ipod-types, etc). This would be an “ex-streamly” 🙂 awesome thing to have in sl for a lot of reasons!

    BTW, your index-card office furniture is way-cool, hehe

  13. Netgen Ninetails says:

    @Torley: You are certainly the most entertaining person on this blog. I have almost no use for many of the tips you make videos on, but I’ve still seen every video tutorial at least once. You never know when that kind of information can come in handy, right?

    Keep up the good work.

    —–

    @2: I know you’re an impostor trying to be an idiot on purpose while simultaneously defaming another blog poster, and I should probably just ignore you so you get bored and leave, but nobody’s taking you seriously. Not just because of your horrible spelling and grammar, but because your horrible spelling and grammar is fake. Nobody talks like that; nobody has ever seriously said “posting these uselessness facts,” or “play stuff for others broadcasting that you dont owns.” And if that’s really how you talk, then I fear not only for you, but for anyone within your local government’s jurisdiction.

  14. Shame on Torley says:

    Hey Torley… I would just like to be able to log on right now.

  15. Matt says:

    Hmm, can we have the ability to log in, upload textures and not have failed transactions today?

    That would be really great.

  16. Can’t log in, before that scripts not saving. Really, how can you expect anyone to take this platform seriously unless you fix it? No notification of problems on Status Reports, we can’t post there either, so I guess all the posts will get filled until you have proper communication channels for this stuff.

    I mean this is problems EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK now since Windlimp and Havoc were implemented.

  17. Michel says:

    Since censorship prevents to comment on the appropiate part of SL, the Status’ blog, here will have to do… You get the “relog, it will solve it” message, which turns out to be a fake, AND, when you try to login, you get a message that the grid is down for maintenance and logins are restricted to employees; no info on that neither here nor at the Status blog. So, Wally Theodore Fergusson???? Aren’t we suppossed to see those things BEFORE they happen? SL is getting worse by the minute, that’s for sure…

  18. Angelic Greenwood says:

    Well this WOULD be useful information had the grid not been taken down for maintenance WITHOUT ANY WARNING.

    Screw your heads back on already.

  19. Resign Torley says:

    So many people worked so hard for events this afternoon and now they cannot log on. Torely if you have any personal integrity you will publicly resign from SL.

  20. Resign Torley says:

    Lets see you do it Torley!

  21. Resign Torley says:

    Come on have a sense of personal integrity for once.

  22. Hecuba Qunhua says:

    Great, you have just managed to destroy without prior notice ANOTHER weekend day and all you do it posting tutorials about parcel music! awesome…

  23. Wispur says:

    Sunday…. I just spent 3 hours working on a project. I put on the project and started wearing it around, yay! Since I was wearing it, I assumed everything was alright and deleted my working copy in the world. I noticed the delete was going slow so I decided to log out and back in. Logged in to find me not wearing the project and no copy of the project in sight. Couldn’t believe my eyes, figured it was a glitch so I logged out again, and now can’t log back in. This is quite upsetting.

  24. Resign Torley says:

    Made a frame grab Torley and waiting for your answer.

  25. Hello says:

    Seriously ridiculous, these problems aren’t just occasional, its every single day. Hand over SL to a company like Blizzard and watch how a mmorpg should be run.

  26. Resign Torley says:

    So Torley… made a grab of 18 to 24 and that pretty well captures the past, present and future of SL don’t you think?

  27. Very Keynes says:

    Can someone please post the link to the Hidden grid status page again please, It is annoying to relog only to find you can’t get back in, and all the blog has is another how to video. Please at least make a prominent link to grid status notices if you are to ashamed to post them in the main blog.

  28. Michel says:

    Ok, ·Resign Torley·, I know you’re upset; I am too, as you can see by my post, but what you’re doing is flooding this board; remember that there are only 150 comments per post, and you’re taking away someone else’s right to speack with every comment you do. So, besides being flood, and completelly idiotic (there’s no ther way), if you want him to resign, send him emails and flood his email tray…

  29. Michel says:

    The useless blog with full censorship is here, Very: http://status.secondlifegrid.net/

  30. Resign Torley says:

    Come on Torley get this thing to work or get out.

  31. Renee Faulds says:

    I’ll say it before you do Linden Labs:

    “Thank you for your continued patience”

    while yet another days worth of selling anything or finishing a build is wasted-

    REPEAT AFTER ME “M LINDEN”, OUR CUSTOMERS ARE PISSED AND WANT A REFUND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. Renee Faulds says:

    OH BTW M Linden- this is the beginning of WEEK 7 of daily borks – when you going to fix it??????????

  33. Jared LC says:

    This is amazing. Truly amazing. Yes SL is down again. Yes I (like thousands of others) am irritated. So… the solution is– (let me make sure I got this right) for you to call for the resignation of someone in charge of VIDEO TUTORIALS? Someone whose job description hasn’t one iota to do with the asset cluster or any of the real reasons we’re down?

    Wow. Hey here’s another idea. Blame the microsoft marketing department for problems with Vista. Or… blame the Toyota window manufacturer for problems with the engine. And then to put the cherry on the cake, blame the US farmers for the reason there is a national deficit.

    Now careful not to hurt yourselves reading this post. It does after all require higher than a elementary education to understand this level of sarcasm.

  34. Michel says:

    Just 3 letters sum up my thought on your comment, Jared…

    LOL

    It was good 🙂

  35. Resign Torley says:

    Get real. If they cannot deliver reliability, they should not waste our time with decoration. If you don’t get that, then good luck in whatever you think you will be doing in whatever career you think you might have.

  36. KellyM Watkins says:

    Whine Whine! Ugh People Deal!

    For those who actually got into the movie, this site offers TONNES of types of genres of music http://www.shoutcast.com/ choose a genre, click tune in and then do as Torley suggested @ 06:29 – Get the music URL (in Winamp) 😀 Keep up the good work Torley 🙂

  37. Jared LC says:

    Pssst. It’s back up.

    And I applaud your wise counsel. “Getting real” is a very good idea next time. Personally I recommend going for a walk or something instead of hovering over the blog board for an hour straight. Much more relaxing. Much less likely to lead to an early ulcer or heart attack. Kudos. 😀

  38. Resign Torley says:

    Business is business and if you don’t have reliability you don’t have a business. Simple as that. And when it comes to IPO, forget it if you don’t have it.

  39. Coquette Montague says:

    Music is good …whoo hoooo!!! All you whineing wankers and mealymouthed weenies need to listen to some!! Go outside!!! Call you MOM!!! Because all in all deep down in side you all loooove SL!! Yup yup yup you will be back tomorrow…. all the beautiful people that live here and love sl will plod along happy …or not ..hehe what ever your rp happens to beeee. And if your in it and just care only about the money well thats just pretty sad. HEY TORLEY!!!!! NEVER NEVER NEVER RESIGN!!! CAUSE WE LOVE YOU AND YOUR CRAZY OUTFITS AND DINGING BELL AND YOUR SUPERRIOR HELP.. FANTASTIC!!! You guys leave poor ole Torley alone!!! *Scowls looking quite feirce @ no one… Hehe take a chill pill you haters and go learn a program offline during the mean ole down time. So you can make more CRAZY cool things. 😛 *WAves ciao

  40. Resign Torley says:

    Numbers count. They always do.

  41. Resign Torley says:

    Speaking of numbers… when will SL agree to an objective third party accounting of the real audience?

  42. Shadow D. Wolf, Esq. says:

    @ Resign:

    Don’t you have anything better to do than spam the blog?

    @ Torley:

    Great video, as usual. Hopefully I can stay in-world long enough to use it. 😉

    – SDW ^..^

  43. Donna says:

    You know what, some of the comments I see on here really do surprise and disgust me. Thanks Torley for your wonderful and hard work, and for providing these much appreciated Vid Tuts! *gives you a sart* and everyone else spamming the Blog and wasting their time whining and moaning, which will do nothing constructive at all, stick a sock in it!

    Oh and even though I still don’t really know what it means… FTW! rofl

  44. Joe Kerr says:

    Well finally somebody at LL found there was an issue.. after spending 40 mins (BEFORE THE ISSUE WAS ON THE STATUS PAGE) to support.

    The reply was ‘Submiy a ticket’ .. hahahah

    if you want the 40 mins of text chat I shall post on a blog near you soon !!

  45. Resign Torley says:

    @42 that is how people who don’t know anything explain away what they don’t understand. Let me spell it out for you… if SL is not reliable it does not have a future. Is that clear enuf?

  46. Donna says:

    @ 45. Shut the hell up! That clear enough? Geez really I just don’t understand some people…

  47. Phoenix Ember says:

    Torley, your video posts are informative and your exuberant presentation always makes me smile! I look forward to seeing them and thank you for your efforts.

    As for the rest of you who are intent on slamming SL at EVERY opportunity, offering backhanded insults, and posting completely irrelevant and uncalled for comments to the blog; get over yourselves and spare the rest of us.

  48. Adam Spark says:

    Try the grid status reports blog if you want grid status reports.

    This is no longer the place for that. It has been moved to its own blog. Links to recent posts are on the left side of this page.

  49. Papadave Darwin says:

    Absolutely amazing, 47 replies after mine, 90% of bullshit whiny cry babies. Can anyone constructively answer number 1 for me?

    If you need somewhere to whine, go find your mommy. Should be easy enough considering the day! 🙂

    Thanks

    PD

    P.S. Thanks again Torley for the videos, they’re great!

  50. Renee Faulds says:

    Attention Linden Labs:

    Hate to tell you this but land sales are borked – logins are borked – rezzing objects is borked !!!

    TWICE IN ONE FRIGGIN` DAY DUDES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    After 7 weeks of this you would think you could “attempt” to even fix it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I still waiting for you to refund my 54,000 ld a month tier !!!!@!!

  51. Dekka Raymaker says:

    Another cool video Torley, keep it up 🙂

  52. FireFox Bancroft says:

    @47 Phoenix, you forgot to include: impostoring other users on the blog and using up comment space for constructive comments.

    They’ve hit a new low today. LL is now LESS likely to take their complaints seriously thanks to a few clowns and their ill-thought-out plans. Luckily I have a static IP because I’m behind a NAT and my Identicon will always be the same unless the ISP changes their IP.

    Also excessive exclamation marks won’t make LL work any faster folks, have a cup of green tea and chillax. I’d hate to see what these people will be like when a Solar Storm wipes out the worlds electricity for a year.

  53. Will Webb says:

    Good to know, cause I just checked this yesterday and the knowledgebase claimed that PLS both did and did not work, depending on the exact page I was looking at.

  54. Katt Linden says:

    Greetings!

    In response to a few questions, in addition to my longer-term projects, I am very often around and paying attention at odd hours, even on weekends, doing things like watching the forums, listening and responding to your comments here in the blog, changing the in-world login screen Message of the Day each day and reminding you:

    • Links to the Status Reports are in the top left side of this page, in the sidebar.

    • Links to the Status Reports are in the Login page of the Viewer, so you’ll be sure to see them every time you log in.

    • Lindens are certainly monitoring things, even on weekends, including, for instance, those designated to take care of any troubleshooting needed. In fact those are the folks who post the Status Reports, because they want to make sure you hear about problems as soon as possible.

    • Status Reports are gathered in one place where you can check them without wondering if you missed an update.

    • You can also subscribe to Status Reports feeds by RSS or Twitter so the notice *is delivered to you, as soon as it’s updated, even to your mobile phone*. This way you can get each update as quickly as we can make it available.

    *Second Life Grid Status Reports*
    via RSS: http://status.secondlifegrid.net/feed/
    via Twitter: https://twitter.com/SLGridStatus
    Direct Link: http://status.secondlifegrid.net/

    Thanks for being here!
    — Katt Linden

  55. U M says:

    Katt, where are you going to take care of the Fake UM that is causing problems here> You can tell who is the fake and who is not……

  56. Long Past Time for Truth about SL says:

    OK…for those newbie techies…. the media world depends on truth…that is real world objective measures of actual media reach. SL must make itself open to outside measures of its actual reach (read about the definition of ‘reach’) if it is ever to become anything of consequence. Now, mind you, there are the California investors who are so typically bubble minded that they buy anything, but no person who is smart will ever invest in an IPO that is not subject to objective scrutiny.

  57. Long Past Time for Truth about SL says:

    Have no idea where that emoticon came from…just keep your eyes open.

  58. Torley, I think I may have either missed something (will check soon =p ) or you are preparing some sort of MegatuTORial somehow related to Havok4. Call me silly and throw me in the toonhouse, but I’ve been noticing a few spots out around the Mainland where your name shows up on various things such as watermelony marbles, mellonshell chairs, and other such things. o..o

    What’re you plannin’, eh? What… are you… plannin’. >_>

    <_<

    /me puts on his melonvision sky preset in search of matching colours…

  59. Toy LaFollette says:

    I hope that vid tuts dont replace txt tuts. I do get amused watching the vid ones but I gain my knowledge from text.

  60. Gage says:

    @ Amras. LMAO I’ve heard about that too… hehe

  61. Verdana Klaar says:

    @1 and @51 (Papadave Darwin)

    May be this wiki page can help: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Streaming_Music

  62. Verdana Klaar says:

    @63 (me replying to Papadave)

    Hm… i just read back the page and i am not so sure it can help, sorry.

  63. Angelic Greenwood says:

    Sorry it’s not my job to subscribe to anything. It’s your job to report on the goings on SL, like right now, when it does an unusual runtime error and borks on me. THANKS A BUNCH.

    What a P.o.S.

  64. RichD says:

    Sorry to be off topic Torley.

    I have created an official feature request to have the comments on the status site enabled. Please Login to the following link to add your comments and Vote…. Unless you vote it will NEVER get done..

    https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-653

  65. Renee Faulds says:

    I told you this 4 1/2 hours ago dudes !!! Thanks for waiting to let the world know. See post # 52 !

    Asset server problems
    Posted by Status Desk on May 11th, 2008 at 07:41 pm PDT

    [7:39 pm pacific] We are continuing to have problems with our asset server cluster. Please avoid any kind of financial transactions or attempting to rez no-copy objects.

    Thank you for your continued patience and support in this matter.

  66. Razor says:

    Kate, how about you doing something about getting our communications back on the status reports? That was your plan as the linden of communications, right?

    Hey, since Katt popped up, communications have only gotten worse, we cannot post at the status page anymore and now shes here to ‘compensate’ it. So far for the communications, bye bye communications.

    Torley can stop making newbie videos now too.. since hardly anyone at the login pages sees this blog anymore, not many new people will find it.

  67. Razor says:

    “How abouts you stop posting these uselessness facts when we are not being able to login to the grids and you keep avoiding answering the peoples on getting refunds for your failings to deliver services relaibly ?

    Why do you keep avoiding questioning on how it is illegal to play stuff for others broadcasting that you dont owns ?

    Why dont you answer the people?”

    Because they have a linden of communications thats why they ignore questions.

    Oh and they like illegal broadcastings because they love copyright breaches just look at what they do with the DMCAs.

  68. Angelic Greenwood says:

    After the crash, had to hard boot my computer, now I can’t either a) log in or b) it’s going to take more than 10 minutes to log in.

    So I guess in a couple hours, they will tell us that SL was down for this and that reason and that it’ll be resolved in 30 minutes when it will actually take 2 to 3 more hours. Yeeeeeah…

  69. unimpressed says:

    Any chance of a video on the definition of the word “resolved”.

    Maybe a video on how not to sound sarcastic when apologising to legitimate complaints. Seriously.

    A video on how much 2.2% of the many thousands of dollars you collected in april is and how they will be spent on changing from mySQL to a proper scalable database.

  70. Cacho Rossini says:

    hey! what happens? i cannot log in, what’s the problem? i’m getting tired with this

  71. Cacho Rossini says:

    we spend money here… you don’t invest it on the servers… that’s a pity

  72. Angelic Greenwood says:

    I feel sorry for anyone who spends alot of money on this piece of crap. I joined up last year and it was NOTHING like it is now. So who’s fault is this and direct me to ’em so I can slap em around a bit.

  73. Tristin Mikazuki says:

    Great vids Torley.
    ps: What on earth made you think moving blogs about the grid off the main site was better communication lol
    Move the other stuss off the main site and keep the grid blogs here they are the only ones that matter.. inless you need to hide them off site…

  74. non says:

    so good things will to play

  75. Martin Magpie says:

    From what I heard in the group chats tonight ppl are not interested in anything besides stability.

    I understand you have a job to do Torley but you might be better served at this time with your own heading “Torley’s world” at the top of the SL.com web.

    Server asset issues plague LL again this weekend. Yet we are given no place to discuss, or complain. Katt really you can post the status all over the net but honestly it doesn’t help much when that news comes 5 hours after the fact.

    Someone get the servers a real tech please.

  76. Darling Brody says:

    what about playing a redio station that uses the asx files such as the following?

    EDIT FOX.ASX :-

  77. Darling Brody says:

    what about playing a redio station that uses the asx files such as the following?

    EDIT FOX.ASX :- (second try to avoid the html censorship. I added zzz to all the tags so hopfully it will not be deleted)

  78. Verdana Klaar says:

    @74 Angelic said: “I joined up last year and it was NOTHING like it is now.”

    Oh really ? Don’t you remind the Wednesday updates and how much everyone enjoyed ?

    _______________

    @73 Cacho said: “we spend money here… you don’t invest it on the servers… that’s a pity”

    How can you be so affirmative please ? Some figures are needed here: When i joined the number of connected residents was around 25,000 at peak hours, whereas today this figure goes beyond 50,000. So yes they “probably” did some investment and upscale.

    Now i agree with you that big improvements remain to be done.

    _____________

    @ Linden-labs: Would it be possible that you disclose a committed roadmap on what will be implemented overall so that the system is more reliable. The important word here is – of course – “committed”.

    As for myself, being an end-user, i am not interested in knowing details about bits and bytes and “hows” , and i do not think residents have to interfere with technology choices and architectural directions (that would be a useless source of ironical comments and of boring “gurus” posts). I am only interested in knowing that at milestoned committed dates you can FULLY ensure progressive reliability, scalability and performance of the entire system.

  79. Verdana Klaar says:

    One last post (sorry to take much place here) :

    The roadmap could be published on a regular basis (weekly or bi-monthly, or other) together with a Milestone Trend Chart. That would allow us customers/users to gain visibility on how progress is going and on whether the initial baseline dates would be matched or not.

    I guess that is not too much demanding, and also, that is the way most IT divisions process with their end-user base.

  80. Ravanne Sullivan says:

    Katt,
    I believe I have mentioned this before. If something is declared [RESOLVED] only to have teh very same problem reoccur shortly thereafter it was never [RESOLVED] in the first place. Please instruct the people who are posting the status reports on the meaning of the word [RESOLVED]

    [RESOLVED] Asset server problems
    Posted by Status Desk on May 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm PDT
    [12:39 am – RESOLVED] Our asset problem has been rectified now. In-world activities should no longer be affected.

    [RESOLVED] Asset server problems
    Posted by Status Desk on May 11th, 2008 at 07:41 pm PDT
    [8:42 pm pacific] Asset servers are returning to their proper operating state. The road may still be a bit bumpy for a little while, but a smooth ride will soon be returning.

    [7:39 pm pacific] We are continuing to have problems with our asset server cluster. Please avoid any kind of financial transactions or attempting to rez no-copy objects.

  81. There are a couple of requirements you need to be able to play your own music inworld:

    1. your own shoutcast stream (there are available streams for rent just search inworld or on google)

    2. winamp

    Thank you for the video Torley! You make it easier for me to learn more than the basics of SL!

    AND BECAUSE COMMENTS IN THE RECENT POST HAS NOW BEEN CLOSED, I DEDICATE THE REST OF MY POST TO THOSE WHO WANT TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE ABYSMAL PERFORMANCE LAST MONTH: SL as a service is unique and therefore not a very “predictable” product. They can’t possibly offer any money-back guarantee on a platform that they haven’t really perfected yet. Sure our ISPs or any other appliance provide us with reimbursement or a warranty for every failed service, but SL is not like some oven toaster with a warranty. SL is the ONLY thing like it, and until a platform like SL is commonplace and stable, NO ONE SHOULD BE EXPECTING TO GET THEIR MONEY BACK.

    Unless SL CLAIMS THAT THEIR SYSTEM IS PERFECT AND WITH NO ERRORS, and something borks despite of that claim, THEN THAT’S WHEN WE SHOULD ALL BE REIMBURSED! AS IN WE…ALL RESIDENTS WITH AMPLE TIME INWORLD, WHETHER THEY OWN A BUSINESS OR NOT. ANYONE WHO SPEND MORE THAN 1L$ BUYING CLOTHES, ACCESSORIES, SCRIPTS, SKINS, ETC AND IS MAKING THE WHOLE SL ECONOMY THRIVE.

    SL DOESN’T CLAIM TO BE PERFECT OR STABLE AS A ROCK. SL IS JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS WAY AHEAD OF ITS TIME, AND PERHAPS EVEN WAY AHEAD FOR ANY OF US TO FULLY UNDERSTAND. IT IS MORE THAN A GAME, BECAUSE IT IS SO FLEXIBLE THAT IT CAN BE A GAME WITHIN A GAME. IT IS MORE THAN A BUSINESS PLATFORM, A WAY TO COLLABORATE, COMMUNICATE AND INTERACT. IT IS MANY THINGS.

    So before the naysayers throw their pitchforks at me, I want to clarify that I have many friends who have huge businesses in SL, and I am next to hardcore as a user, so I really really REALLY understand that we are in need of our SL FIX, but I don’t make unnecessary comments and make other well meaning Lindens resign.

  82. @VERDANA: I like what you are proposing. Perhaps the incoming CEO can provide us that and will ensure that LL stays on the road map, now that Philip is now dedicating himself in the technical aspects of the platform, and can lead from there, perhaps the road map would be easier to follow.

  83. Carrie Grant says:

    Katt, with all due respect, the SL ‘problem page’ wasn’t moved for our convenience – to have it all in one nice little place for us all to be able to access easier, it was moved so you could try and make these pages have a more positive feel for the sake of of SL and bad publicity, hiding all the problems you are having. As mentioned previously by many people, all problems are now hidden away on a little page no one can comment on while you post such worthwhile posts here as video training on features that are usually down because of problems and new roads you have built. I know which, out of the two, the majority of residents would say were most important…

  84. Verdana Klaar says:

    I agree with you Isadora, but not for the matters you bring to argue. I fear that no company will ever claim their products is perfect (unless they want to bankrupt on purpose – lol)

    So then, why is refunding not justified to me (skipping the TOS that does not matter here) :

    1) Even though admitting the downtime in April can possibly be rounded up to some 3%, all that is far from being a tragedy.

    2) Residents that claim for refund are not innocent “newbies” that were taken by surprise. For a large majority they are more likely in here since over a couple of months. That means they definitely knew the system was at time unstable (January or February this year were a bit fuzzy too, if i am correct).

    3) In the end, they willingly put their money here, with full knowledge that it might fail.

    4) There is no point #4 🙂

  85. Verdana Klaar says:

    @85 Carrie said: “As mentioned previously by many people, all problems are now hidden away on a little page no one can comment on”

    Why do you absolutely want to comment and discuss technical issues ?

    Is it of any interest and benefit for residents to pinpoint for hours that that some computer went down or that a network link failed ?

    And above all, would those discussions/complaints (together with a good dose of pitiful ironical statements) solve the problem ? am afraid no.

    We all want a more reliable system that is one thing for sure. But endless small talk on current issues will not have us get rid of them by magic.

  86. shiro says:

    because Verdana it is not [Resolved] and continues to perform as poorly as it does now. this is utter crap if i am paying for a service and i should be allowed to voice my opinion

  87. Patience Masala says:

    Hello, you mind making an annoucement that the data clusters are once again having problems and to not rez nor make purchases at this time?

    THANKS!

  88. Curtis Dresler says:

    Once again you can’t log in and expect – two blog entries to the contrary – that you will have hair or shoes or whatever. I just negotiated a network support agreement that says 99.9 % up or money back and here I can’t expect two days out of three. Its like I went to work and every other spreadsheet was unavailable and tech support says, never mind, use the other one and besides, you can come back tomorrow.

    The big, big difference is, at work that tech support would be on the streets looking for his or her next job and we would have someone that got the job done.

  89. Fenrir Reitveld says:

    “Asset server didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim.”

    “Asset server didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim.”

    “Asset server didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim.”

    “Fenrir Reitveld’s empathy didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Just whatever.”

  90. Roman McCullough says:

    So has SL cleared their playing music through their servers with the RIAA or at least ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, JASRAC and other publishing bodies around the world?

    Even if you are just playing the radio over a loudspeaker in a store, hotel lobby etc, you owe these outfits money (stores such as The Gap have been successfully sued by ASCAP for this, for example). I hope that SL has done the legal due diligence and informed sim owners about this before they get dinged for back royalties, which, by the way, just went way up thanks to an obscure governmental committee decision this past month.

    Again, it doesn’t matter what source you are getting the music from. The fact that you play it in any world means you have to send the publishers some shekels unless there is some arrangement that SL has made with copyright holders. Unfortunately, this tuturial doesn’t go into that.

  91. Jayden B says:

    And logins are closed to non-employees… So… Don’t logout!

  92. Foxxe Wilder says:

    By the GODS! Is there ANYTHING you guys CAN’T screw up?? HOW MANY MONTHS is this BS with the ASSet servers going to go on? (and don’t attempt to quote me news releases – I’ve WORKED in PR and I KNOW it’s all BS Propoganda (the old ‘tell them what they want to hear’).

    Now I am DAMN SURE you guys have Federal US funding (hence all the constant boneheaded “ideals” and “policies” you kids have been attempting to pawn off on the public. You guys are so much like MicroCrap it’s disgusting!

    You carry a TOTAL disregard for what the PUBLIC wants and like “democracy, you LIE and DECIEVE those you work for. Give your heads a bloody shake, FIRE THOSE MORONS that are TRIPPING over their own FEET claiming that they “know” what they are doing and HIRE PROFESSIONALS WITH EXPERIENCE – screw the university brats – they may be book smart but they have NO VALID EXPERIENCE at all.

    If the US STILL had a Better Business Bureau, you guys would be BACK in Future Shop, Circuit City and WALMART where you belong.

  93. Razor says:

    “Asset server didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim.”
    “Asset server didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim.”
    “Asset server didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim.”
    “Linden labs didn’t respond in a timely fashion. Don’t worry they never will. ”

  94. Razor says:

    linden ims sure you know how many stolen Abyss items are out there, but do you care? We have not seen one bit of help for poor Khai Sinister. You are so cruel.

  95. Razor says:

    …but when it comes tto *your own* trademarks no effort is too much to stop people from violatting it. But my oh my, if only the companies investing in Linden Labs would know this eh?
    oh yeah thats why you got the blog out of sight, you don’t want you businesspartners to see how selfish you are protecting your own trademarks and making empy promises about the DMCA to the residents. They shouldn’t know right that linden labs (and especially the sims of some country a well known ripper is from) is full of copyright violations and linden labs doesn’t cares at all. That would be bad publicity rights. Anything for the money.

  96. Ewan Mureaux says:

    Number of asset servers offline
    Posted by Status Desk on May 12th, 2008 at 01:39 am PDT

    [Monday 2:00 AM Pacific] Logins to Second Life are being restricted while we investigate.

    [Monday 1:30 AM Pacific] A number of our asset servers have gone down and we are in the process of bringing them back online. This may take a while. In the meantime please do not rez or transfer valuable (no-copy) assets until we give the all-clear. — Frontier
    [RESOLVED] Asset server problems
    Posted by Status Desk on May 11th, 2008 at 07:41 pm PDT

    [8:42 pm pacific] Asset servers are returning to their proper operating state. The road may still be a bit bumpy for a little while, but a smooth ride will soon be returning.

    [7:39 pm pacific] We are continuing to have problems with our asset server cluster. Please avoid any kind of financial transactions or attempting to rez no-copy objects.

    Thank you for your continued patience and support in this matter.
    [RESOLVED] Asset server problems
    Posted by Status Desk on May 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm PDT

    [12:39 am – RESOLVED] Our asset problem has been rectified now. In-world activities should no longer be affected.

    [12:02 am – UPDATE] Logins are now being restored and you will now be able to return to Second Life. Please be patient if this takes a little time as there may be a number of residents trying all at once. It looks like the asset issues is slowly resolving but we’re monitoring this at present and will advise shortly. Thanks.

    [11:41 am – UPDATE] Logins to Second Life are being restricted while we investigate.

    [11:33 am] We are receiving reports of our asset storage cluster failing. Symptoms you might see include failure to rez, open notecards or photos, access your inventory.

    Please refrain from trying to rez or work on builds at this point in time.

    We’re investigating and will get back to you with information as soon as possible.

    re·solve (r-zlv)
    v. re·solved, re·solv·ing, re·solves
    v.tr.
    1. To make a firm decision about.
    2. To cause (a person) to reach a decision. See Synonyms at decide.
    3. To decide or express by formal vote.
    4. To change or convert: My resentment resolved itself into resignation.
    5. To find a solution to; solve. See Synonyms at solve.
    6. To remove or dispel (doubts).
    7. To bring to a usually successful conclusion: resolve a conflict.

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  97. mimi says:

    “Again, it doesn’t matter what source you are getting the music from. The fact that you play it in any world means you have to send the publishers some shekels unless there is some arrangement that SL has made with copyright holders. Unfortunately, this tuturial doesn’t go into that.”

    linden labs doesnt cares about copyright or trademark violations of others , as lomg as their own trademark is safe. they don’t follow up the DMCA and have removed the ‘how to report trademark violations (from other trademark holders than theirs)’ webpage from the knowlegde base. They now only have an article about *their* trademarks but who cares about the trademarks of others?
    it even looks like they enjoy these kinds of violations.

    linden labs sucks and katt will never give an answer anyway, she doesn’t communicates, like sidewinder. Fire katt, hire another. It shouldn’t be that hard to find someone with normal communicating skills like sidewinder who gwas able to get the trust of residents.

  98. Hello verdana,

    regarding my comment, i wanted to REMIND people of what SL and LL is: NOT PERFECT, and thus not subject to be financially responsible for their SL business loss. It is THEIR responsibility to WORK ON STABILITY.

    2 & 3. I agree. We know all too well that there will be glitches in SL, it’s in the TOS, and that the TOS ultimately says to watch out for our own a**es for a platform that is still in beta stages. It’s a HUGE risk and if you don’t have the guts to bear with it, no compensation and all, then you are not meant to put your business in this game, or for the matter in RL. Don’t forget that in RL there are also risks much worse than what one can and will encounter with and in SL.

    Oh, since I’m commenting in Torley’s post:

    TORLEY, can you make more sky settings for Windlight?? 😀

  99. NotFeelingTheLove says:

    They said that voice would not affect the grid. Personally I think that’s a big lie and not the first to be told. All I think we ask for is rather simple. We want you to completely cease in the additions of new features and the kissing of big cooperate asses. We your customers for years have generated your business and in turn you have helped us make ours. It’s a symbiotic relationship. If you piss us off and undermined our businesses guess what? We both suffer.

  100. Ewan Mureaux says:

    As someone who has worked in and studied the music industry I feel qualified to comment. Linden Research are in no way liable to pay royalties. Their simulator tells your client which stream to connect to. The person playing the music is the one responsible for PRS or equivalent in their own country. On top of that the whole internet radio debate is so much bigger than trying to shoe horn in an argument against the linden gods.

    If you wasn to argue for the sake of it pick up on their actial weakneses like shoddy communication, poor customer service and generally fobbing people off.

    http://ewanmureaux.wordpress.com/

  101. reposting EDITED version for CLARITY:

    Hello verdana,

    regarding my comment, i wanted to REMIND people of what SL and LL is: NOT PERFECT, and thus not subject to be financially responsible for their SL business loss. It is LL’s responsibility to WORK ON STABILITY for the sake of their survival and if they care about it, ETHICS. Personally, that should suffice.

    If they are stable enough, then they should be able to offer a money back guarantee or a reimbursement for something that goes wonky all of a sudden, sort of like what some brands of really sticky glue would do or some outrageous “as seen on tv” products do (as if we would run over an airbed with a tractor to prove that the bed is REALLY durable)…lol.

    and since I mentioned ETHICS, i think the issues on content theft should be resolved sooner rather than later.

    2 & 3. I agree. We know all too well that there will be glitches in SL, it’s in the TOS, and that the TOS ultimately says to watch out for our own a**es for a platform that is still in beta stages. It’s a HUGE risk and if you don’t have the guts to bear with it, no compensation and all, then you are not meant to put your business in this game, or for the matter in RL. Don’t forget that in RL there are also risks much worse than what one can and will encounter with and in SL.

    Oh, since I’m commenting in Torley’s post:

    TORLEY, can you make more sky settings for Windlight?? 😀

    Katt,

    HANG IN THERE 🙂

  102. Sean Heying says:

    I wonder if Katt recalls what she promised in http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/04/28/second-life-grid-status-reports in reply number 60.

    > “We’re not shutting down comments, folks.”

    Yet, she has.

  103. U M says:

    OMG what happened? A meltdown????????how long has the game been down?

  104. Simon Kline says:

    Hahaha! Headbanging Iron Melon! Torley this was great!! I was laffin my way thought it while learning something, what a great way to learn!!

  105. Vivienne says:

    @ Verdana

    “We all want a more reliable system that is one thing for sure. But endless small talk on current issues will not have us get rid of them by magic.”

    Right. Read this:

    http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2008/05/07/eve-online-experiments-with-virtual-democracy/

    For me there is no doubt that this kind of handling customer affairs will be unavoidable for any kind of noteworthy social network which includes the real existance of a virtual society and economy. People in SL are not just “customers” using a (buggy) technical network. Pure consuming might be reason for the eight out of ten “Newbies” to log in and out after a couple of days and never return, for what reason ever. But not for those who invest huge amopunts of time and/or money in this visionary project, for what reson ever.

    Residents must have a word on what the provider of the network and client software (Linden Lab) offers. Quality and usability of the service must be reviewed, influenced and improved not only by Linden LAb), but by all the interest groups involved.

  106. @101, voice runs on different servers.

    yes, blame it on all the bells and whistles that they keep on introducing…NOT!

    I LOVE WINDLIGHT, sculpties added into the creativity of our fellow residents, and Havoc 4 was a great addition. I don’t think those recent additions should be blamed for all of this. those are in check with their desire and the residents’ clamor for more options in creativity. Photographers no longer need to use as much Photoshop anymore for prettifying their snapshots, sculpties enabled designers and content creators more creative expression (and BETTER CLOTHES!!!), and Havoc 4 led to much lesser crashes.

    It’s hard to tell LL what to do because on one end, they are pressured remain the best platform creatively, thus the added bells and whistles. on the other side, are also pressured to keep the grid stable. There are more than what meets the eye here, and I think stability is not just at stake here, but the Linden Labs’ edge if they stop putting out new stuff for us.

    Every company has R&D to keep itself current and the best in terms of their field. I am so against stopping R&D and concentrate WHOLLY on STABILITY. It’s like telling a company not to grow and watch while competitors think and develop on something they should have thought of in the first place. With HiPiHi in beta, and more VWs in the works, LL is in a tricky spot.

  107. alf lednev says:

    Seems Verdana and Isadora agree so closely , probably alts. *Shrugs*

    The 1.9% figure mentioned was purely a limited figure,
    excluding much of the downtime as “local”. All those times when still in world but unable to do anything are “local” and deliberately excluded. A simple case “of lies, dammed lies and statistics”. A far higher figure would be in order, someone mentioned 25%, perhaps, it “felt” like it , true, but probaly between 15-20%. Suddenly compensation is reasonable, not the sneering $6.

    Why NOT compensate? Giving Lindens$ back will only help boost the SL economy. R/L Governments invest in public works expenditure to keep the economy going when things are bad (yes its a shock to IT geeks that a world exists outside their parents basements) . Lindens could invest money back into the Grid by giving money to the customers to reinvest and helping restore consumer confidence.

    All those Linden Lovers, who sneer, I trust you remain only on the mainland and never use anyone elses SIM’s or services they provide. Go hang out with Torely, I am hoping he will do a musical soon. I enjoy his vids immensely but he is always trotted out as the patsy by the Linden Management right after a major issue. I pity his job really.

    The magical TOS some swear by, it has been tossed out of one court. It will be contested again one day, (Philip’s worst nightmare). A company can say what it wants to but in a Court of Law , it has to show it has adhered to ALL relevant laws and consumer law is a strong force. ie should a company market itself as a virtual world, then say opps we are actually a R&D company testing beta products? Interesting times ahead probably.

    I do sympathise with the “real” U M, any form of identity theft should be a serious issue for Lindens. Their inaction speaks volumes as usual. I would have thought the mail address would have acted as a simple security check, obviously not.

    Katt all those Lindens dozing at their desks or fighting over the last slice of pizza mean nothing if they cannot advise immediately and act promptly. I actually wonder what they do as nothing is Lindens fault ever, its always a third party. Too often to be believable *shrugs*

    And please mod these blogs and allow a max of 2 posts per IP address. Would that be so hard to do? OOOPS, sorry its Lindens we’re are talking about , so obviously yes.

    Back on topic, thankyou Torley

  108. vivienne, i saw that article too and thought that the comments section will be a better place with a council like that around, but then again, even with that kind of democracy in place, people here will still b*** and whine.

  109. blackcrow6667 garmes says:

    Failing to address concerns of the community was one thing, deciding to suppress those concerns entirely, when service is down or failing, may have been a large step in the wrong direction.

  110. you know what, alf, i’m too innocent to think that way, so i’m sorry not to meet your profile of a lowlife…:)

    why would verdana and i create alts just to agree to one another? isn’t that just plain silly?

    i think i am capable of drawing attention to myself without an alt TYVM.

  111. Vivienne says:

    @ 108 Isadora

    Apart from total disagreement on Windlight and Sculpties (which MIGHT be nice if these features would actually WORK within the given framewrok of currently available and used customer hardware and client software):

    SL grew rapidly within 2006/07. Now it does not grow any longer. The rapid growth of 06(07 was the result of a huge media hype, which is “over the top” now. LL must live up to the promises now, and obviously they even fail to handle 60,000 log ins at the same time.

    No one can deny that it needs a new conception adressing a further growth, which will be much slower. But, in fact, this slower growth is the crucial part, not the hype feeded bionanza of 06/07. And those who are into SL not only for sightseeing a few places and hopping on poseballs have a right to know what LL conceptions are before they keep up investments or plan further ionvestments. We need an open communication channel, and yes, we need influence – and hold your breath – we must organise ourselves in order to help LL with keeping this running on a reasonable ground.

  112. Sean Heying says:

    Isadora, Vivienne… SHUT UP

    If you want to have a discussion take it to the forums.

  113. GlobalLeader Iwish says:

    How Ironic that the ‘April Accesibility’ thread was stopped just before a Major Crash in SL yet again, Maybe you need to bang – Just a little Harder !!

  114. Jessica_hultcrantz says:

    @56 (Katt)
    “• Links to the Status Reports are in the Login page of the Viewer, so you’ll be sure to see them every time you log in.”

    And when the status page takes a full minute to load due to some slow web server, who cares to wait for that every time ?????

    @Torley
    Nice tutorials as usual, but rather useless with SL in it’s current state.

    @LL
    Pain in the ass(et) server for everyone. No cookies for the tech guys and if it’s on some outsorced place those servers are… refuse to pay for that totally unacceptable performance that has been lately.

    @Katt and LL
    Why is it so hard to turn on comments on the status blog?
    AFRAID of the users comments on the work (not) done?

    Looks like May will be as bad regarding the grid performance as april that was a huge drop according to the previous posting…

    /me wonders what will happen during june… Asset server meltdown?

  115. Vivienne says:

    @114

    “If you want to have a discussion take it to the forums.”

    The forums? No one reads the forums. There is not even a link to the forums on the SL website. Discussions on in-world problems should be held in-world, in fact, but we cannot discuss it in-world. because some asset servers blew up. Because group IM is buggy and laggy as hell. Because any sim with more than 40 visitors is lagged down to death…

    And in the end we all want a discussion with Linden Lab.

  116. Verdana Klaar says:

    @109 alf lednev said: “Seems Verdana and Isadora agree so closely , probably alts. *Shrugs*”

    No. In fact you did not yet know, but as an alt…. i am (h)alf lednev (smile please)

    @109 alf lednev said: “All those Linden Lovers, who sneer, I trust you remain only on the mainland and never use anyone elses SIM’s or services they provide.”

    Well i suppose my (h)alt, or (h)alf or as you wish… is here addressed. Bad luck my dear, the few regions i do own have are actually islands only (smile please). As for linden “lovers” i simply suggest you pass your way.

    now: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  117. Hikaru Dreadlow says:

    Hey, look, the asset servers are “back in working order”!

    Not really. I still can’t load my avatar. Come on, LL…

  118. vivienne, I agree with you…oops..i better not before alf thinks we’re both the same person!

    *snickers*

    but seriously, come to think of it, perhaps our suggestions may have a chance on being considered if we have such a council in place.

    i don’t know tech issues, but from RL background i know how a company who thrives on creativity is run, and it’s not without R&D. True, we need fixes and stability, but a company like LL still needs their R&D well staffed and visible in order to be considered top of breed in their chosen field. It’s called being well rounded, in LL’s case, they should also improve on customer service and communications, then they will be called well rounded.

    alf, the only way out of this rut is not to have the kind of attitude that you have, but to HELP THEM FIGURE IT ALL OUT. i know it’s all about the money for most lately, but i’m one of those people who logged in for the community, creativity and fun. yes, i may want to invest in business here someday, and i am employed in SL by a company, and it is to our self interest to help LL out by choosing the nobler road of helping and supporting them despite of the odds. wouldn’t that be a better goal than to be the jaded cynic?

  119. Georgette Whitfield says:

    Hahahahaha <3333333 headbanging Iron Melon Man!!! rofl

  120. Mythos Kultos says:

    Vivienne said:

    ‘People in SL are not just “customers” using a (buggy) technical network. ‘

    No, that’s exactly what people in SL are. Only – not even that.

    SL is a content ant farm. The users (who don’t even have basic customer rights) are there to create new content to draw in new users, up until the point where the whole shebang can be IPO’d and the original owners can retire fat and happy, ready to plan their next world-class innovation.

    Don’t kid yourselves that LL have any interest at all in your creativity, your IP rights, or your status as a user community.

    SL is a farm, not a democracy.

    Having said that – I’ve put in all of $10 US so far for some land, plus an annual subscription, most of which I’ll get back as stipends. And I have to say that as cheap entertainment, SL is a way better value than a movie show.

    The corporate soap opera angle, with the angry peasants trying to persuade the barricaded aristocracy to do more than throw them some bread and chickens once in a while – in terms of laughs, it’s been the gift that keeps on giving.

  121. Vivienne says:

    @ Mythos

    He. he.

    I agree with your analysis and I do not agree with your rather pessimistic view on things.

  122. maelstrom janus says:

    Torley Ive tried uploading a few door sound effects tou use in my builds theyve come out very quietly in sl despite booming out when played from my desktop before uploading.

    Can you give some hints on uploading sounds please or at least point me in the direction of some useful instruction.

  123. Verdana Klaar says:

    Vivienne,

    “Because any sim with more than 40 visitors is lagged down to death…”

    1) You obviously mean 40 agents onto a region, not on a sim.

    2) A sim (unlesss things have evolved, in which case i am wrong) is a 4 regions process area hosted on one same computer for part of the contents, of the net flow, and of other stuff.

    3) It does not seem a surprise to me that 40 agents requesting 75% of a computer resources for their own sake slow down the whole stuff, all the more that these places are “rather” often overburden with CPU/GPU intensive scripted material running over a network with limited bandwidth (typically 2 to 8 MB dsl on the user side).

    4) There is no point #4 (very old french habit to always try to reply within a 3 point limitation) 🙂

    May be we can ask LL to have one dedicated computer per region or (better) per parcel ? Whoever wants to pay a higher monthly fee will agree with that, won’t they ?

    ________

    “And in the end we all want a discussion with Linden Lab.”

    No.

    We want a committment, not a discussion.

  124. Wynochee LeShelle says:

    Three days until “M”. But be careful if you see light at the end of the tunnel. Possibly it is only the eye of Phillip.

  125. Vivienne says:

    Oh, come on Verdana. A provider who allows 560 prim flexi skirts and encourages creation of scripts must take care that all of this this works within the environment or disallow the creation.

    Discussing this is like dancing on architecture, or even worse, dancing on asset server breakdowns.

    I am not interested in commitments. I am interested in influence on decisions on usabilty and quality directly affecting the average in-world resident experience. Even from a cynical corporate pont of view it makes no sense to ignore resident input as LL does since two years. Mythos is absolutely right with his “Farm” anylysis of SL, but i doubt that the “Farm” character will enable the vision to survive, neither from the corporate nor from the idealistic point of view.

  126. Verdana Klaar says:

    🙂

    How will you get “influence” without the least committment ?

    We can discuss that later….

  127. Vivienne says:

    @ Verdana

    Join the VBOA (Virtual Business Owners Association) if you are running a business of any kind or invest in SL. Join the “Screwed by Linden Lab inc” group if you have other interests. Contact the representatives for more informations. Sure, someone who is desillusioned or a plain realist like Mythos will smile on this, but i think the metaverse is worth a try. And LL is not really part of the freedom killing bunch, you know.

  128. Verdana Klaar says:

    I’m not interested in joining business groups, since i am not in SL for that purpose. I spent money here yes, but for the sake of my own pleasure and (i hope) creativity.

    I do not consider SL that way, that is only me of course.

    My only business was to sell 3 islands (at a good price tbw), just to balance my fees as far as possible, not less not more.

    But ok, that is only me 🙂

  129. Vivienne says:

    Okay, Verdana. It is totally okay if you want to use the metaverse only for pleasure and do not want to contribute much to its improvement. But there are lots of people out there who have all the reasons and/or passion and vision and ideas to make it a better and longer lasting place within its unavoidable limitations. These people, who invest time, money, creativity, passion and work are the ones who keep SL running for the ones, who enjoy it for entertainment or any other reason. LL or Sl would be dead without them.

    But in the end it makes absolutely no sense to complain on LL or complain on the complainers alone. If anyone is interested in improvement, only action will lead to this, complaining on LL or the complainers on the blog alone is nice and fun, but useless without adding at least some effective action. The groups i mentioned at least try to do something, and if you want influence, you are free to join them. You cannot join Linden Labs.

  130. Dex Trenchcoat says:

    The greatest obstacle to the advancement of Second Life is at times, its own user base…

    Thank You Torley, Katt and all the rest who work day in and day out to keep the Grid up and not just running, but growing.

  131. Verdana Klaar says:

    “These people, who invest time, money, creativity, passion and work are the ones who keep SL running for the ones, who enjoy it for entertainment or any other reason”

    may be, may be not, and all that is anyway far beyond your and my control. Yet just another cloudy “Consumer Association” in the “in-world” (smile).

    I wonder how many times i need to repeat that all i want (and may be a majority of residents as well – who knows) is a clear, visible and traceable commitment form LL to make things better ?

    Ah… simply one last thing to address your wording about “work, time passion, a.s.o…” may i suggest that you visit the “CorYanne” estate

    That is probably not a best-in-class sim, now at least it is a bit of change compared to those suburbia-remake shops or fake and so dull “tiki” beaches (which are uglaggy btw).

    Final dot and very likely final/last post in the blog… All in all that was just another brick in the blog (/me smiles a bit sadly)

  132. @ Isadora.

    Well, maybe it’s not Windlimp and Havoc, but awfully coincidental that as soon as they were released, we have had 7 continuous weeks of daily problems. whilst active users and premiums were dropping. Occam’s Razor.

    As for the beta excuse, well, it’s been five and a half years now, how long are they going to keep using that? If they had done as everybody has asked for more than a year, and focus on stability and functionality over new shinies that introduce yet more bugs (and do I need to list all the WL and Havok bugs? Or the Group IMs still borked from 1.15?) then maybe we wouldn’t be in such a mess.

    They can add all the shinies they like, but if they keep driving people away, they will go nowhere except die. Just look and see how many premiums and users churn each month. While they have doubled new registrations in a year, the active users have remained much more static, only growing by about 5%.

    That should tell the new CEO all he needs to know.

    @ Katt

    Please make comments enabled on the status reports. If you allowed feedback, you might find that what you thought was “resolved” wasn’t, but much earlier. And maybe there should be somewhere we we can report live problems, not the useless JIRA, so that LL gets warnings about grid problems before they make the thing fall over unexpectedly.

    And putting on the login page the latest blog posts as well as the status would be good. I keep missing new posts now, and since the comments were cut back from 500 to 150, time zones often mean you can’t get a comment in.

    Ability to edit our posts might be good, and would free up some slots. Then you could limit posts to one per person.

  133. Argent Stonecutter says:

    And don’t forget, if you do your own audio streaming you can just read the IP addresses of everyone on your parcel from your logs! Cool, huh?

  134. Lars Donardson says:

    It’s a shame this blog becomes more and more a meeting place for people that have been booted out of kindergarden because they lacked the maturity for it.

  135. Vivienne says:

    @ Lars

    And what is your idea of maturity?

  136. Tired Of Resolved says:

    …after 7 weeks of this of asshat server unreliability I have found the answer !

    1. I poofed my business and everything on my land.

    2. I abandoned above said land.

    3. I shut SL software down and uninstalled it.

    4. I will never return.

    …sad LL does not realize that so many great content creators have and are doing this.

    my best wishes for those who remain to take this abuse from Linden Labs.

    bye bye

  137. richard says:

    danger! danger ! danger ! danger ! danger!

  138. Toy LaFollette says:

    munches popcorn watchin the Viv, Ver show and becomes quite amused. Talk about off topic hehehe

  139. Martin Magpie says:

    Seriously I would like an answer; Is this true or not Linden Lab?

    “Argent Stonecutter Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Don’t forget, you can use parcel media to sniff people’s IP address, just like in CSI:NY (except this isn’t television)! Just convince the people visiting your parcel or estate to have “Automatically play media when available.” checked, and as soon as they visit you their address will show up in your HTTP logs.”

  140. Gabriell Anatra says:

    @122 Mythos Kultos

    I am surprised more people aren’t coming to this sort of conclusion. SL has all the potential to become some corporate bureaucrats wet dream. Imagine all that content and power ‘free’ for the taking. Granted there would be a backlash but with the money and resources of a major corporation that needn’t be a big concern.

    The possibility of the entire world being literally bought out from under us has to rank up there with the flaky asset server and IP issues as a primary reason for the stagnant SL economy.

  141. None says:

    BRING BACK STATUS AND STATUS UPDATES ON THE BLOG!!! THIS HAS BECOME A USELESS SUBSCRIPTION!!!!! I DON’T CARE ABOUT MUSIC! WHO CARES IF THE STUPID GAME ISN’T WORKING?!!!!

    NO LINDENS EVER LISTEN!!! WTF?!!!!

  142. Ravanne Sullivan says:

    @141

    Yes it is true, IF you have access to the logs from the media server. When they connect to the media stream their IP address is known to the server.

  143. Martin Magpie says:

    lovely.

  144. Angelic Greenwood says:

    Ugh, Isadora get off your effin’ high horse. I’ll complain to whomever I damn well please, and if you don’t like it, that’s just *sniffle* too-too bad isn’t it.

  145. Angelic Greenwood says:

    Oh by the way, can’t teleport. Hey, how about revealing what’s wrong right now instead of 4 hours from now eh?

  146. Cocoanut Koala says:

    Did you know your billing system is currently whacked? To where I couldn’t tier down or downgrade to basic, and it was even telling me I had no credit card on record!

    I feel people should know.

    (I got this straightened out by calling billing and waiting on hold a while.)

    coco

  147. Not a Linden Fan says:

    how bout some one at LL actually fix something for once. I love how you moved the trouble blogs to a forum that you cant post too.

  148. Martin Magpie says:

    In world right now: asset server issues. What are you going to do about that Linden Lab!

    I am so sick of the instability i could vomit.

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