[UPDATE] New Release Candidate Viewer: 1.20 RC1 Available

[UPDATE 2008-04-15, 5:16 pm PDT] Linux viewer crashes fixed!: We’ve fixed the issues that were causing the Linux 1.20 RC1 viewer to crash. Please download the new Linux viewer here. Thanks for your patience!

[UPDATE 2008-04-16, 1:02 pm PDT] Korean, Japanese and German viewer crashes: We have investigated a problem that causes this Release Candidate (1.20 RC1) to crash on startup for foreign languages; this will be fixed in the next Release Candidate (1.20 RC2). To revert to the English version of 1.20 RC1, you can delete the malformed file in the language folder .\ko, \ja, or .\de as appropriate:
..\skins\xui\de\panel_speaker_controls.xml
..\skins\xui\ja\panel_speaker_controls.xml
..\skins\xui\ko\panel_speaker_controls.xml

[UPDATE 2008-04-15, 3:47 pm PDT] Linux viewer crashes: We’re investigating a problem that causes the Linux 1.20 RC1 to crash on startup. Linux users are encouraged not to upgrade at this time. In order to prevent the viewer from forcing you to download an update, open gridargs.dat in a text editor and edit the text that reads:

secondlife --channel "Second Life Release Candidate"

so that it reads:

secondlife --channel "skipRC1"

We’ll post an update here when a more suitable Linux release candidate exists.

A new 1.20 Release Candidate Viewer is now available with some important fixes and changes.

If you’re interested in helping us test these optional viewers, please visit the test software page to download the Second Life 1.20 (RC1) Release Candidate viewer. Source code will be available for download soon.

Changes:

  • Reminder that the Tools menu now displays in the main menu when editing/creating objects. Click on the Build button or right click and select Create. Existing short cuts (CTL + 1, 2, 3) all still work and will also activate the Tools menu.
  • Disabled Avatar Imposters to address suspected cause of increased crashes on nVidia cards
  • Allowed disabling of Joystick devices globally and selectively for avatar/build/flycam
  • Backed out changes to put the Friends dropdown back on the world map (VWR-6243).

Fixes:

  • VWR-6259: SLURL and secondlife:// links open a second SL viewer
  • VWR-6392: Voice Chat Setup doesn’t work in Preferences dialog box.
  • VWR-5929: Some UI translation texts are ignored because of missing names in XUI files
  • VWR-6386, VWR- 6384, VWR-6385: Clean up duplicate and malformed sibling names in en-us xml
  • Primary clicks toggle flycam with Mighty Mouse
  • Logging In screen’s Quit button does not exit
  • crash on LLUIImageList::onUIImageLoaded
  • crash on LLViewerJointMesh::updateFaceData
  • Person to Person voice calls UI, volume slider overlaps end call button
  • Window opens large, then small, then large on startup
  • (potential fix) Runtime Library error after quitting SL
  • Restored some missing textures

Open Source changes:

  • Added 3DConnexion library export
  • Updated llkdu.dll for 1.20 OSS export

Thanks for your feedback and please continue to report any new issues in the Issue Tracker. Be sure to set “Affects Version/s” to “1.20 Release Candidate“. Resident participation is always welcome at our weekly (Wednesdays @ 3pm PST time) inworld bug triages, too!

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150 Responses to [UPDATE] New Release Candidate Viewer: 1.20 RC1 Available

  1. chrisse Zabelin says:

    yayyyy im 1dt

  2. It’s awesome to see all these changes 🙂
    Thank you 😀

  3. Garn Conover says:

    Awesome! *nuzzles Bridie* Love how its comming along although if replaced my textures w/ ‘Retro Dazzle’ just basically a darker version of the buttons but still great 😀

  4. Cincia Singh says:

    Wooohooo you put the textures back … I can hardly wait to get home, load the new RC and put on a skirt again lol.

  5. michi lumin says:

    Avatar impostors have been nixed? Really? Is this a permanent thing?

    They *really* helped so much with framerate, honestly…

  6. Stimpy Tripp says:

    Thank you for putting the friends list back on the map.

    I’ll send a box of bagels to LL headquarters when Andrew (?) fixes the target omega rotating objects not working bug.

    The new viewers, at least for me, crash much less over all than earlier (pre 1.20) viewers.

    -Stimpy

  7. ac14 Hutson says:

    i would like to know why with these RC viewers the voice chat is suddenly broke. it was working the other day now it jsut stopped working and in the prefences tab it says “voice chat is not avaiable”

  8. Michael Fairplay says:

    This concerns me, Trying to pump out another release so soon after the last fiasco really disturbs me. I think you need tog o with the original plan to stabalize the grid. First priority is to stabalize. stabalize. stabalize!

  9. TheCondor Kondor says:

    I would love to test the new changes… unfortunately the new viewer crashes immediately, without even displaying the login screen

  10. Suzan says:

    Can’t even start it under Linux?

    Anyone got this also?

    😦

  11. TheCondor Kondor says:

    sorry @9… i forgot to mention… I am running Linux as well 🙂

  12. Datapanic says:

    I wish this one would be fixed soon, it is very annoying to login to last location that was above 768m and end up falling through the sky for 1000’s of meters!

    Key: VWR-6267
    Type: Bug Bug
    Status: Open Open
    Priority: Critical Critical
    Assignee: Unassigned
    Reporter: adelle fitzgerald
    Votes: 13
    Watchers: 3

  13. Marni Grut says:

    skirts are working again !?

  14. Nedrae Messmer says:

    “Reminder that the Tools menu now displays in the main menu when editing/creating objects.”

    So this was by design then, not a bug? Interesting, there was nothing about it in the previous notes.

    Still kinda freaks me out, I’m used to having all menus readily available. I can deal with that though, but maybe we can see an option, “Show only when building” to toggle it on and off?

    I’m also wondering if VWR-6265 is fixed yet? That’s another reason I didn’t use the previous RC much.

    Anyway, downloading now and testing in a moment.

    @ 5: Seems it’s only until they figure out about the increased crashes. But for the record I’m on a GeForce Go5200 FX and I haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary.

  15. Chaos Markstein says:

    If you think i am using that as my main viewer then u gotta another thing commin’

    it looks horrible and it makes it harder to see darker areas

  16. Moll Dean says:

    The RELEASE button is still there. Please remove i. pls

  17. Tengu Yamabushi says:

    I’m crashing at 1 second after login, consistently. Looking for updated drivers now (nVidia 7xxx series). But things don’t look good.

  18. Michel says:

    Cool!
    Not only I have the exact same problems with this version as before, not now I also having them on the regular one…!

    FUN!
    *throws confetti*

    Am I the only one that get the message telling you you can’t login to where you wanted and that you should loging straight home… But it is Home exactly when I’m trying to login to? Am I the only one that gets the irony of this?

  19. Netsah Kurosawa says:

    Ok nice but I thought you said the ||TargetOmega script would be fixed again in SL for all very soon… I was seeing Rotation script again on 1.19 RC and now on 1.20 RC no more…

  20. Hed Lockjaw says:

    Yeah, the Linux version isn’t working at all. Error’s out immediately. First 1.2 release worked fine, and excellent.

  21. Keira Wells says:

    I don’t think the avatar imposters is doing it, I think it’s bump mapping and shiny. I have imposters off, always, but when I toggle bump mapping and shiny I crash a LOT more than without it. It’s evil. Maybe fixed? Downloading the viewer now

  22. Tengu Yamabushi says:

    Ok, I updated to the latest nVidia drivers (169.21), and now I get “Error: Second Life is unable to run because your video card drivers are out of date or unsupported. Please make sure you have the latest video card drivers installed.” etc. Now what?

  23. Your Conscience says:

    Ok, now we just need to have our login height raised to 4096m, instead of 768m 😀 Otherwise, thankee kindly for the update, and for the friends list back on the world map!

  24. Rrishanna Regina says:

    When building with the Release Candidate and moving the camera around, the blue/yellow lines around the object waver and move. With a lot of camera movements, this makes me feel physically ill. Can you please fix it?

  25. Vex Streeter says:

    Yah linux build totally borked, dies with “free(): invalid pointer” in well under a second. The good news? can’t get much worse.

  26. Bridie Linden says:

    @14

    Look for a fix for VWR-6265 in the next RC — sorry it didn’t make it in this one!

  27. Ava Ganache says:

    Linux client is completely borked – crashes at earliest stage of loading

  28. JayR Cela says:

    @22 try going to the web site ::::
    http://www.tweakforce.com
    for the best in the latest stock & modified Nvidia & ATI video card drivers / remember the latest may not always be the greatest for your particular graphics chipset
    Hope this helps some folks out there :_)

    JayR Cela :_)

  29. Bridie Linden says:

    We’re looking into the Linux viewer issues — stay tuned!

  30. Scott Bristol says:

    Crash on Linux here too (64 bit Gentoo Linux, crash with one of those glibc detected free invalid pointer errors you usually only see in programs with really awful programming practices). Don’t you even run these things once before you ship them?

  31. Meni says:

    The ‘flycam’ bug with the mighty mouse is not fixed at all… Right click makes me jump, left click turns flycam on…

  32. fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice…

  33. uh-oh says:

    The avatar imposters was a great idea. I hope it comes back. To me it seemed to really cut down on lag.
    So far on my end, other than buying a set of boots and only finding an empty folder. I am not sure if I was sent an empty folder or if things were lost in transit, things are working fine for me. It was only a 250l purchase so no tears shed here. I think in the long run things are improving.

  34. Upset As Ever says:

    Tick Tock

  35. /me *throws confetti* YAY! Love seeing you guys at work and pumping out new RC’s 😀
    btw… awesome work with the stitch option for sculpties, been saving me a bundle of time with my bleeding edge copy pasting 😀

    (No sarcasm intended this time :D, ok… maybe a little up on the last line, but heh… have a laugh why are we all here anyway? 😉 )

    Miguel

  36. JJValero Writer says:

    CORE DUMPED
    ……………………………………………………………………………..
    CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+
    Memory: 947 MB
    OS Version: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 6100/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.0 NVIDIA 96.39
    ………………………………………………………………………………

    *** glibc detected *** bin/do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0adbd218 ***
    ======= Backtrace: =========
    /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb611ed65]
    /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0xb6122800]
    /home/franky/instalaciones/SecondLife_i686_1_20_1_84760_RELEASECANDIDATE/lib/libstdc++.so.6(_ZdlPv+0x21)[0xb62d88b1]
    bin/do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin[0xa0b82a6]
    …………………
    …………………

  37. zoha boa says:

    Linux client isn’t working here too; i even don’t get a login screen; no screen at all.

    WHAT are you doing the last weeks/months ??
    IS there NOBODY who has tested this linux version ?

  38. Chilko Tardis says:

    Bravo! Thanks for putting the map option back in!

  39. Navin Dawes says:

    Yep, I can confirm with the above statement regarding the linux client being borked,

  40. Oh… can’t login!!! The Sky is falling! Your Mac version won’t work! Your “ix” version won’t run! please hire every available tech in the globe to develop for 3 systems at once!!!

    Ah… just kidding… i forgot to enter the password there… 😮

    Had to rant a bit though :DDD GO LINDENS GO!

    >:]

  41. macey Voom says:

    Does this crash any less than the new viewer? I found that the new DIV X is retarded and you have to get a patch for certain video cards..
    HOWEVER…when I use the lag meter, the client is always the thing that is in the red. I wish I could use my second life again. This sucks.

  42. Before this release candidate becomes an actual release, Dazzle NEEDS to be optional. Dazzle is not an “upgraded” interface. As residents have mentioned before, its high contrast is an annoyance (to many) and unhealthy for the eyes. Also, I don’t need Vista forced onto my great Mac experience.

    I know many people have liked Dazzle thus far, but looking at comments given when Dazzle was first integrated with the RC, many more have expressed an ill interest in it. It should be optional, and should NOT be a default theme.

  43. Houston… we have liftoff, very pleased so far, ty Mr Linden Gods for being so kind this tuesday evening…

    New RC works great with Windoze, no crash so far, smooth, and i like the blingy blueish buttons.

  44. Danball Tureaud says:

    VWR-6392: Voice Chat Setup doesn’t work in Preferences dialog box
    Still not fixed, will not work, and the SLVoice.exe process doesn’t even run. Voice works with the regular client though.

    Also, I get a weird texture flicker with FSAA enabled. Textures flicker to dark grey a frame or two.

  45. michi lumin says:

    Birdie —

    Any word on whether or not the impostors removal is permanent?

  46. Juliett Beaumont says:

    No way to get that thing started!!!! – does it getting worse and worse with the stability with any release?

    I surely could forget Mac Os support, do i ? Framerate sucks – crash every 5 min runninig… But now even worse at the windows side? Startup crash. No way to avoid it, Restart wont help, de- and reinstall wont help.

    I think you have a major nVidia problem cause other ppl get this think running. Do you have any idea when or even if you ever would get this thing running stable on nVidea driven MacBook Pro’s.

    I’m as desperate as I’ve never been before – if this will be the future? Baby-blue UI istead of a stable software?

  47. *cough*… spoke too soon, Mr Linden Gods, just had a crash and server failure uploading a texture, can i plz press #1?

  48. McCabe Maxsted says:

    A reminder for those who aren’t fans of Dazzle:

    Darker/classic skins can be downloaded here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Skinning_HowTo/Basics

  49. Algenight Cline says:

    @22

    I suggest you check the nvidia website again because the latest drivers are 169.25. I myself am using 169.44 beta without problems.

  50. Navin Dawes says:

    Okay people, give the Lindens a break this time around. These are release canidates, thus are supposed to be used for testing purposes only. In this particular case we have no right to grief them over bugs, issues, ect. Constructive criticism is the name of the game here and ultimately it will be more effective at getting these issues handled.

    Yeah, I’m not happy with the current state of SL. I’m sure nobody really is (especially you business owners), but these guys are allowed to experience their growing pains. We should sincerely be thankful that they are churning out the new features at breakneck speed, things that we as a whole ask for. I’m sorry, not many other FREE products feature release updates this quickly

    In other words, stop complaining and do something about it. Instead of worthless whining, report bugs and make constructive criticism on the forums, during office hours, ect.

  51. @29 – Birdie, though i like you guys TM ©® Logo on my desktop, why did it dump 3 shortcuts on my desktop? 😮
    Is this intentional?
    😀

  52. DaQbet says:

    grrrr…please let us have skin choices or bring back the classic skin. This silver is really distracting and the dark blue background….ick!

  53. Hed Lockjaw says:

    Actually, I think the point of the release candidates are for us to tell them about bugs and problems, isn’t it?

  54. Suzi Ah says:

    From a quick look the skirt issue is STILL not fixed. I’ve tried a dozen texture skirts, first one appears briefly then vanishes before the texture rezzes, any others i then try simply don’t appear. Prim skirts and all other clothing layers appear to be fine. Is this being worked on? i’m tired of wearing trousers or prim skirts all the time 🙂

  55. Phil Priestman says:

    Keeps crashing on me right after it completes Downloading Clothing and tries to change to the actual game.

  56. Juliett Beaumont says:

    @49 lol… MacOs? Nearly and very exactly 0 (zero) support by nVidia or Apple

  57. derdepp schnabel says:

    automatic change to flycam?…strange behavior
    unuseable….what kind of bug is it?

    the look is …sorry,..UGLY
    transparency of inactive windows is not strong enough
    i like to resize windows..now its not possible…..bad

  58. BlueWall says:

    eek! this one’s broken

  59. zoha boa says:

    @50
    “Okay people, give the Lindens a break this time around. These are release canidates, thus are supposed to be used for testing purposes only.”

    How can we test it if the viewer does not start !!

  60. michi lumin says:

    @50 –

    “Okay people, give the Lindens a break this time around. These are release canidates, thus are supposed to be used for testing purposes only.”

    Actually, no, Release Candidate means just that: it’s a candidate for final release. It means it’s out of beta, and about to be deployed. Chances are we’ll see an RC2 and -maybe- an RC3 before it goes live.

  61. Michelle Thurston says:

    Panning and zooming the camera consistently crashes the client. What did you guys DO?

  62. derdepp schnabel says:

    after opening and closing any window it changes always in flycam….argh!!!

  63. bigjr Slade says:

    I have load the new 1.20 Rc from today.. Second_Life_1-20-0-84432_ReleaseCandidate
    but I crash befor Login comes up, all time after 10 sec. I have Geforce 9600 GT and the new Nvidia driver 174.74 for Win Vista 64 bit.. idont know what i can do…
    For a better SL Cleint 10 ave marias send 🙂
    Reports of the Crash are autosend to SL ….

    MFG bigjr from germany 🙂

  64. yuriko nishi says:

    it´s ugly. please add darker colors. ty

  65. Mapchisto Angelus says:

    Great changes. Glad to see you guys are on top of the wonkiness. 🙂
    I will download and keep testing it.

    Thanks for the work you all are doing on it.

  66. Scott Bristol says:

    @Navin

    Come on, a client that doesn’t even run for more than a few hundred milliseconds labelled as a “required upgrade” is not a release candidate.

    Constructive Criticism:

    * Use unit testing
    * Use regression testing
    * automate deployment process to only work when all tests pass
    * run valgrind and fix all the errors (and report errors to third party libraries)
    * feature freeze on all non-essential features like new UIs (three redesigns of the interface in the last 6 months or so??? but no time to fix bugs)
    * test cluster with some boxes running SL automatically in gdb and sending the backtraces to the developers to fix all those “but how did I crash, I didn’t even touch my keyboard or mouse and the region was fully loaded already” bugs, then proceed to the same with same automated mouse testing too that just wildly moves the camera around
    * run some static analysis tools (the more the better; they all find different problems) to discover problems like buffer overflows
    * implement the few replacement classes needed to compile the viewer completely without closed-source libs, then open up (no two-tier system) the main development repository (read-access) to the public
    * document as much code as possible in the source and on the wiki so a lot of people can help with patches instead of just bug-reports
    * if SL has to crash at least make crashing less painful (why are two logins required to get back in, why is it possible to trigger the login rate limiter just by clicking on Login again once you get back to the login screen? Why is there no way to figure out when your account will be available again after you clicked okay in that dialog box?)

    That should be enough for now and this is just what I could think of without any major breaks in typing. I am sure LL doesn’t even do one of these things

  67. Adamas Carter says:

    This one (Linux version) won’t run at all. The messages I get from a terminal run are way too long to post here.

    Some things can be used for fertilizer. This isn’t even that good.

    Adamas

  68. derdepp schnabel says:

    light intensity changes by clicking on a prim, avatar moves while clicking
    …flycam freaks out while changing application window….
    dragging windows switch to flycam and shows orbit….

    hey…
    did you ever usesd this client at LL?? i guess no…..

  69. Navin Dawes says:

    @ the release canidate comments.

    In theory, you all are correct, however when was the last time you saw a Second Life RC quickly declared stable?

    Bottom line, the beta grid is probably not exposed to the user base of the main grid simply due to it not being live. There is no way that the Lindens can remove every bug simply from doing this. Because of that, release candidates are needed to test the viewer in a live environment, allowing a broader user base to test it. Bottom line, it’s not stable unless it’s declared STABLE. RC’s are still indeed testing releases.

    Was Vista considered stable when it hit RC? No and it still lacks.

    @66 I wish i saw more of that.

  70. Tristin Mikazuki says:

    You fixed the skirt bug? ;-(
    @5 hehe ya was great huh

  71. Walldog Waters says:

    Linux version would not even start for me either. I like Dazzle. I just bought a Sandio 3d mouse that does not work with SL. Would you please look into supporting this mouse? Thank you for your efforts in supporting the Linux platform. I will never buy another Microsoft product again. If you did not support Linux, I would not play. Thank you also for lowering land prices. They need to go much lower. Keep the greedy ones out of Second Life.

  72. VenusMari Zapedzki says:

    I can’t even load it. I’m running Linux and it crashes before it loads properly. I’ve submitted a bug report and anyway someone else has given the details above. This effectively keeps me out of SL, since you won’t allow me to use an earlier version.

    When’s the next version going to be available? I hope it’s hours not days. And I hope someone at least tries to run it before it’s let out to the world.

  73. Sephy McCaw says:

    Umm does anyone else have a problem with voice chat now being “not available”

  74. DaQbet says:

    VWR-6392: Voice Chat Setup doesn’t work in Preferences dialog box. o.O This was listed as a fix but Voice is greyed out so i cant even enable it

  75. zoha boa says:

    @72 You can download the standard viewer 19.1.4

  76. Vixynne Ariantho says:

    Has anyone noticed that the “Log Chat” option does NOT stay checked once you relog? You have to edit pref’s and re-check it on each login…seems a minor thing but it’s quite an annoyance to have to reset this every time I sign in. Glad to see the map allows me to locate my friends again, but please, please let’s see some of the bugs fixed for good! How about incessant “low memory” errors whenever I’m at a high traffic area (and I’m on a XPS laptop with TONS of memory)…this happens to my friends as well, it’s not an isolated issue! Instead of tinkering with the color of the chat box, could we pleeeeeease see some much-needed repairs? Much ‘preciated!

  77. derdepp schnabel says:

    inventory sorting and filters not working

  78. Locked Out says:

    Free MGHG!

  79. Galagan Raymaker says:

    Hmm 😦 now not only the LINUX, also the Windows RC Crashes direct at Startup before the login comes up

  80. SPEARIT PERHAPS says:

    MGHG NOT WORKING! FREE MGHG! OPRESSION NEVER, FREE MGHG NOW!

  81. Q Linden says:

    @66, Scott: We’re actually working on much of what you suggest, and have been for a while. For example, we’ve got a unit test framework on the server side that runs as part of every build. We don’t have that — yet — on the client side. Automated deployment based on automated testing can only work if you actually have reasonably complete automated testing. We’re working on building that, but it wasn’t part of the original design, and adding it to an existing code base — especially one the size of SL — is Certifiably Hard. We’re working on it, but it will take months or years.

    Valgrind and related tools do get run, and we’ve been pushing to incorporate such things into our build process. But again, it takes a while to get there. We’ve done major work in the last month on crash reporting and we’re now getting much better data, and we have a big team working to address known crashes.

    So your suggestions are generally pretty good — and fortunately, we’ve been working on most of them for many months now. Hopefully you’ve seen the results the Havok4 project brought for sim stability. We’re taking a similar approach in other areas, and we hope that these efforts will bear visible fruit soon. We’re not there yet, but we ARE trying to get there.

  82. Vixynne Ariantho says:

    @79: The same thing happened to me when I tried to download…it became a first-person-shooter as I tried to click the “RUN” button before the window vanished into oblivion (about five seconds after clicking download)! Luckily I’m quick on the trigger… >_<

  83. derdepp schnabel says:

    @76 i agree

    finaly , please dont waste your time in changing skin to kindergarden look,
    just try to sort out OLD and OLDER bugs, that we may have a chance to
    get sometimes a really stable client and maybe …the whole system stable….

    …unfortunately, if i see these hasty actions like h4 and clients, i dont believe

  84. @7 -ac14

    See VWR-6286.

    Running two copies of the RC client (which can sometimes also happen if you crash) disables voice and you have to use a debug option to re-enable it. It’s catching quite a few people out it seems.

  85. Galagan Raymaker says:

    Oh, I see… ; bigjr Slade Says:
    April 15th, 2008 at 3:33 PM

    I have load the new 1.20 Rc from today.. Second_Life_1-20-0-84432_ReleaseCandidate
    but I crash befor Login comes up, all time after 10 sec. I have Geforce 9600 GT and the new Nvidia driver 174.74 for Win Vista 64 bit.. idont know what i can do…
    For a better SL Cleint 10 ave marias send 🙂
    Reports of the Crash are autosend to SL ….

    yes, I’ve the same system constelation… and the same problems…

    also greatings from Germany….

  86. Tengu Yamabushi says:

    @28 – Thanks! 🙂 But I think that even if that got me going, that wouldn’t address the root cause – that the latest RC crashes on the nVidia reference drivers (just trying to do the ‘civic duty’ thing 🙂

    @49 – the latest nVidia driverset available for my primary graphics card (GeForce 7800 GS) is 169.21. Yours may vary based on your hardware, of course 🙂

    @LL – I’ve had to revert to the ‘standard’ client – no more RC for me – crashcrashcrashcrash just after login (please see the half dozen or so crashlogs autosent – hopefully you’ll be able to see what’s going on). Bottom line: This latest RC puts me dead in the water. It just doesn’t run.

    For the record, I run a tri-monitor setup – a ProView 22″ widescreen as primary and an Acer 19″ as secondary on a GeForce 7800 GS, and a third monitor (another 19″ Acer) on a Radeon 7000 PCI.

    Dual-Xeon Dell Precision 450 Workstation, 3GB RAM, info from ‘Help-> About Second Life’ follows:

    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 Northwood Xeon (2392 MHz)
    Memory: 3072 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7800 GS/AGP/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
    LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] – 2.01.14449 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 6/25492 (0.0%)
    Viewer Digest: bb2966f6-cf81-a0de-1e21-dcd21f05428a

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  88. Seconded on the Mighty Mouse bug still being there. For some reason it is showing up as a joystick in the Joystick Configuration window. “[x] Enable Joystick: Apple Optical USB Mouse”… it’s not a joystick.

    Left click seems to enable that flycam thing and if I disable the mouse in the joystick config my cam just gets stuck where it was left and my AV moves around without it. Nasty!

    I seem to randomly get a single frame of blackness occasionally, like a flicker. Anyone else getting that I wonder?

  89. Nachtglanz Winx says:

    cant start it under windows xp crashes when opening

  90. Navin Dawes says:

    @ 66 I’m going to laugh the next time i hear a person say that the Lindens don’t listen. That was great! Thanks for the input.

  91. Andreas Kamachi says:

    damn …always crashing …right after startup …without loginwindow……using Windows Vista and XP and Nvidia gforce go 7600 /6400 :-((((( :-(((((((( help !!

  92. Han Xiao says:

    The colorscheme is very very ugly. The old one with the darker colors looked much better

  93. drdahlgren says:

    Please let me echo the sentiments of many who have been at meetings on RC and expressed here –

    DO NOT IMPLIMENT DAZZLE WITH OUT A WAY TO EITHER SKIN THE CLIENT COMPLETELY, OR CHOSE BETWEEN DAZZLE AND THE STANDARD PRE-DAZZLE INTERFACE!!!

    Also if you don’t mind, put the TOOLS menu back where it belongs. Who is it that thinks moving stuff around and taking it away and then putting it back is such a good idea. Me thinks they must be despirate for job security.

    While Windlight and many “under the hood” changes have improved the client greatly, whoever thinks messing with the UI is a good idea – please, find something else to move around, like parking spaces at the LL campus, and leave the UI alone.

    DRD

    DRD

  94. Ferdinand Darkstone says:

    I actually like the windows xp lookalike colorscheme

    But jow about spending more time on handling dmca’s and doing something abotu the theft , and less on release candidates?

  95. Phil Priestman says:

    @91 .. same thing with me with the same os and card.

  96. Masha Eilde says:

    Like others, I’m having a crash when starting up from Windows XP Pro, latest service packs and patches. Unlike others, I’m able to log in, then JUST as soon as I get a peek in-world, it crashes to desktop.

    As to skin (obviously lower priority than the inability to run!), it would be nice if we didn’t have to overwrite existing files to change skins. Most skinnable programs have a way to simply load XML or CSS files into a directory and then have a UI functionality that allows the user to toggle the skin.

    Cheers,
    -M

  97. Rascal Ratelle says:

    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5921

    Although there has been noticeable Improvements in some areas the following are STILL unresolved.

    KNOWN ISSUES
    * Serious memory leaks.
    * Grid instability and poor performance
    * Teleports fail quite regularly, especially under heavy load
    * Sim performance varies wildly (NOT due to client content either)
    * Low FPS
    * Serious texture latency
    * World maps are very slow loading
    * Crashes and viewer hangs and freezes
    * Ongoing friends list presence issues
    * Group chat totally borked (Still an issue)
    * Group Notices not getting to all members of a group
    * Random animations starting out of nowhere (and no, not an attack)(Intermittent)
    * Sailing off into void space after crossing a sim line
    * Did we mention crashes? Why yes, yes we did.
    * Major bugs not being corrected month after month, year after year (prime example: llTargetOmega)
    **Bots and bot farms.***
    * LL spending time on items no customers really want or care about.
    *** LL totally ignoring customer voting results and @#$# well doing what they want anyway (prime example: voice… which was majorly voted AGAINST by LL customers).***
    * Absurdist pricing on sims and land (namely: $295 and $350 a month for a piece of virtual land is ridiculous. The only thing it does is stuff LL’s pockets with $$$ and keeps most people for being able to afford a sim).
    * Total failure of LL to prevent minors from entering the grid, resulting in continual hassles with immature children (not that some of the “adults” are any more mature… it just adds to the problem and drama).*

    … and the list goes on and on and on.

    Why list these things? We’re not just griping. We’re listing these things to point out issues that Second Life customers deal with every single day… issues that Linden Lab continues to ignore (or put on the back burner, or “it bothers us too” into the obscurity pile) year after year.

    And then people wonder why there are constant gripes on the blog.

    That would be why.

  98. Zito says:

    i hate this version , that cam has a mind of it’s own in windows xp after logging on it’s not easy keeping the viewcam stable.

  99. drdahlgren says:

    Voice is no longer an available on for me on this viewer. Enable is greyed out. Guess its back to the drawing board…

    DRD

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  101. Sephy McCaw says:

    Fix for disabled voice

    in debug settings searchh for CmdLineDisableVoice and change it to false

  102. Tengu Yamabushi says:

    @96 – Yes, that’s my scenario as well (also XP Pro) – just a microsecond peek, then *bam* crash-to-desktop.

  103. Danball Tureaud says:

    #101, I wonder why this was set to true.

  104. Jaime says:

    How about making the GUI a bit darker theme? It just seems to bright now..

  105. Selkit Diller says:

    Honestly? I’d use this RC if it wasn’t so stunningly ugly. You’ve gone and made the client (badly) emulate the visual feel of an operating system that I’ve literally jumped platforms to avoid (The PCs in this household run either XP64 or Ubuntu now, and I specifically bought a laptop I knew would support XP). Blue? In a chat window? People, console windows stopped using blue backgrounds ages ago because they’re *painful* to look at for most people over extended periods. A brilliant glaring UI is just fantastically bad in most applications to begin with, and the whole thing just looks like something Mattel slapped together in a Microsoft-themed toy.

    The only way I will ever use this is honestly, if you release a *classic* UI. And I don’t just mean color packs.

  106. Kugel says:

    OK …question….. on the previous viewer to THIS RC has anyone noticed the screen flicker to black …say once very two minutes but for a fraction of a second? I stopped using 1.20 cos of this reason…. its darn annoying. BTW running an ATI X1950Pro 512Mb with CAT 7.10 drivers (dont trust the CAT 8.X) into a 1280×1024 LCD running at 60Hz. AA and AF off. (XP Pro, 1Gb memory, P4 2.8)

  107. Rado says:

    Crashing, it cannot start either Microsoft Windows Candidate. It was troubled.

  108. Max Kleiber says:

    “Your currently active group is displayed in bo”?
    Small typo there, and still overbright, but seems to function quite well so far…

  109. Vincent Nacon says:

    Best to make UI editor for SL viewer before you make them official.

    Cause people are going to complain, non-stop, about it.

    I know I would too… and still trying to edit the bloody XML files.

  110. TheCondor Kondor says:

    I never saw so many problems at the same time… and this is meant to be a release candidate?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

    Sorry, do not want to result offensive 🙂 (I am a software developer myself, and I know how easy to make silly mistakes!!!)

  111. Lillie Yifu says:

    Please return the tools menu to always visible, there are several options that we want to select before building. It is annoying to have to select something and then be able to “select only my objects” or other options. It is also confusing to have the menu appear and disappear, shifting the other menus over. There is no good reason to do this, it is a Department of Deck Chairs on the Titanic move.

  112. Jessicka Graves says:

    Four words: Get. Rid. Of. Dazzle.

  113. Fabulous, a required update to the test viewer that is also unusable on Linux. I was running version 84432 just fine. Now I’m no longer allowed to run that, since this much better and newer and totally worthless version is available. I tried the flag suggested (secondlife –channel “skipRC1”) and it does nothing. I am still immediately booted from the game. If the Lindens know this viewer will not work on Linux, why have they banned the working viewer? I’m forced to go back to the released version now (1.19.1.4) and suffer through all the crashes that had been fixed in 84432? I totally don’t get that. It seems to be the result of insufficient testing and of having a bunch of policies that don’t meet in the middle (a required crashy viewer and a disallowed working viewer?!?). I really like Second Life but this constant churn of troubles and crashes is really disheartening.

  114. Cold Spitteler says:

    “Backed out changes to put the Friends dropdown back on the world map (VWR-6243).”

    backed out changes to put it back, so is is back or is it staying gone.. english in my native language and i still dont understand

  115. Vittorio Beerbaum says:

    I’m not sure why this critical bug hasn’t been resolved with 3 builds released after it has been reported (and assigned)?

    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5807

  116. Aquarius Paravane says:

    Heres a couple of votes for Dazzle from 2 Mac users. It’s a refreshing change.
    Freezing and crashing has been much improved since finally assimilating Pastrami’s advice – start with the graphics preference slider hard over on the left. Hit the custom button and raise parameters one at a time, keeping an eye on the frame rate and watching out for imminent crashes. When you identify the culprit that freezes your machine, turn it down or off. It’s made a huge difference.
    Now would someone please explain what “support for non powers of two textures” means.
    And would someone also explain how to take 640×480 snapshot which will display at the proper aspect ratio when displayed on a 4×3 prim even though it’s a 512×512 texture. We used to be able to do this with previous clients, but we can’t with 1.19.1 and 1.20.
    I don’t care what shape you force textures to be, but please respect aspect ratio – when a texture gets dropped into a container in the user interface (profile, about land, group logo) allow the user to pan and zoom the texture in the space rather than squashing it and making it look ridiculous. See Mac OS iChat buddy icon definition method.

  117. Vik Stenvaag says:

    I AM CRASHING BEFORE THE LOGIN SCREEN APPEARS

    The former viewer was at least running but no way to downgrade back to it. Why don´t u offer at least the alternative to choose the former viewer ????

    Sorry .. but this is not very professionell !!!

  118. You Nix says:

    @113 and anyone else unable to login with 1.20.0 (84432)
    You need to edit gridargs.dat to change the channel

  119. Simon Kline says:

    Great to see these fixes being pushed out, good work guys!!

  120. Vik Stenvaag says:

    “EDIT”

    using GeForce 8600GT with latest XP driver
    Considering entry 63 … does the viewer not work with nvidia ??????

  121. Diomedes Nikolaidis says:

    @22

    It is critical to uninstall the old nVidia driver before installing the new one. Updating has never worked properley for me if I didn’t. I gained 5 fps on the update with my GeForce 5500FX. Nice. Can also try Riva Tuner to do some overclocking. Now to try the new RC. 🙂

  122. @118

    TY TY TY

    Glad some that dont work for LL can explain things to us more clearly. LL get your heads out of your bums!!!!! You cant even post correct data on how to log in anymore

  123. cobalt says:

    I applaud the return of the friends menu, on the map screen. I’m going to wait for the removal of Dazzle, before I start using the RC client again, though.

    Make it an optional add-on, for those who want it.

    I don’t want it.

  124. Tengu Yamabushi says:

    @121 – Yes, of course. And, yes, I did that 🙂 Still hosed.

  125. Bibi Book says:

    Release Candidate means:
    1. It is not alpha
    2. it is not beta
    3. Devs think, it could be released, but give it for testing to find unknown bugs

    Oh, well I misunderstood something. Some software gets realeased in a beta state and the RCs are the alpha versions…

    I know, most developers never use the software, they create, but too high contrast kills the eyes of customers. And people, who have hurting eyes or loose sight may not be customers for a virtual world any longer.
    But I guess the crashes are to avoid using the client too long…

    I am still using the Nicholaz-Client. Big thanks to the “mad patcher” Nicholaz Beresford and Barney Boomslang who created the Mac-Version of it!

  126. deni says:

    I like the new colors, and UI. I have severe problem with memory or something it crashes and gives a fatal error. I have been using the RC for a long time now and this is the first time I really can’t use it at all it’s so unstable.

    Also my avatars animation and motion when walking it very messed up, stops and starts walking, walks in place. This is without an AO as well. The problem seems to have somehow migrated itself into the regular client as well? weird

    I miss the “fly” button on the motion controls floating window but can adapt.

    (using Vista SP1 with a fancy nVidia card i forgot the model)

  127. 81 Q Linden Says: “Hopefully you’ve seen the results the Havok4 project brought for sim stability.”

    Are you kidding Q ? Havok4 is causing chaos on the sims I go to – and yes the JIRAs are there. I’ve simply given up doing many things for now as its simply pure luck whether you get what you want to achieve or not.

  128. @118
    thanks for the help!
    for anyone else who’s confused about how to decode that comment in post 118…
    change the part of the line in gridargs.dat (in the secondlife directory) that says:
    –channel “Second Life Release Candidate”
    to
    –channel “skipRC1″
    it’s too bad that the blog entry didn’t mention that file; the blog seemed to be telling us to run with those channel parameters on the command line instead.
    thanks again though,
    fred.

  129. Takiro Lowey says:

    Crashes immediately under linux
    2008-04-16T01:16:39Z WARNING: loadSettingsFromDirectory: Cannot load /home/user/.secondlife/user_settings/settings_per_account.xml – No settings found.
    *** glibc detected *** bin/do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0adbcea8 ***
    ======= Backtrace: =========

  130. Psyke Phaeton says:

    Linux client problems:
    * RC-1 crashing always
    * secondlife Script: ‘arch’ is depreciated (especially on ubuntu) use ‘uname -m’
    * RC-1 some shell scripts are flagged not executable – handle_secondlifeprotocol.sh & register_secondlifeprotocol.sh

  131. Surreal says:

    Snapshot to hardrive is still not working for me. I get 3/4 black and the rest stretched and blurred, not happy. Yes i have all the latest drivers for my ATi x1300.Works perfectly in the Primary viewer just not in the RC. Now if that gets fixed I will be happy.

  132. Juliett Beaumont says:

    [UPDATE 3:47 pm PST] Linux viewer crashes: We’re investigating a problem that causes the Linux 1.20 RC1 to crash on startup. Linux users are encouraged not to upgrade at this time. In order to prevent the viewer from forcing you to download an update, run the secondlife command as:
    secondlife –channel “skipRC1”

    Linux? why only Linux? Please offer that funktion to any client! Any time! – give a worning as before when run an outdatet version.

    btw. Crash log cannot be send? Server overloaded?

  133. Qabalah Quintus says:

    Good News: On my Mac its more stable and fluid and it looks nice…
    Bad News: Mouse is still a big issue. I have the mIghty mouse under OSX 10.4.11 and focus is lost or bounces back every time I change views. Editing is nightmare as right click does not bring up the pie and you have to use the navigation buttons for build then select edit from the tabs.. then there is a shake as the focus jumps around making prims move out of alignment.. 5 minutes and I gave up as it was so dangerous to use and impossible to work camera controls.

  134. Raiya Hastings says:

    I’m not entirely happy with the new viewers at all I still can not set up my voice chat there is no option for it what so ever and I am very unhappy about it as I do use voice Hopefully this problem will be resolved

  135. Trouble Streeter says:

    I still can’t use VoiceChat, it tells me it is not available even in sims where I use it with the regular client.

    I also don’t have system skirts, but I can wear pants until that gets fixed :-).

  136. Ceera Murakami says:

    Still can’t drag a custom color to the color palette, even though a patch was already provided by a volunteer coder that fixes this.

    Still can’t log out above 768 M and expect to log back in at that altitude. You appear at 768, or possibly at the first surface below you that is at less than 768 M.

  137. Takiro Lowey says:

    Thx Fred

  138. bigjr Slade says:

    @ Vik Stenvaag
    the 1.20.0,84432 run before im today “update” to the 1.20.1.84760 but now im dont can connect with the 84432 😦 and not with 84760 😦
    im start now with 1.19.14….

    I have long time the starts problems.. first with geforce 7600 GT and now with the new 9600 GT

  139. Allen Harrington says:

    A new problem occurs with version 1.20.1 that didn’t happen with the previous one. When the client program is closed, I get a pop-up message that says, “MEM_BAD_POINTER”. Does anyone else get this? The usual steps have been taken to ensure it’s not my hardware.

  140. Danball Tureaud says:

    #139, I got that with 1.20.0. I think thats what this points to about it: “(potential fix) Runtime Library error after quitting SL”

    Its the Smartheap Memory Manager… again… causing that

  141. Sati Lumet says:

    hmm would like to see it, but crashes on start allready ^^
    Vista Ultimate 64 nVidia Board + nVidia Gef7

  142. Ryanna Enfield says:

    >>Disabled Avatar Imposters to address suspected cause of increased crashes on nVidia cards<<

    So very glad to see this in here. I am still gonna use Nicholaz Viewer, but… I had my suspicion that the avatar imposters were causing crashes with my nVidia. I actually turned Avatar rendering maxed up while leaving on imposters and it seemed to help, though my card was struggling as it was forced to render so much Avatar detail. So slowed down performance, but stopped the annoying crashing seemingly associated with AV draw distance and Imposters on, and moving the camera about to face a group of AV imposters.

  143. Uccello Poultry says:

    @97 “* Group chat totally borked (Still an issue)”

    “totally borked” means sessions fail to start; sessions will start with an incoming message then immediately terminate; replies to incoming messages post after a pop-up note indicates failure to post. And we still need a means by which we can disable members from using group chat.

  144. ChatNoir Moonsoo says:

    Could we have a temporary shooting of whoever was in charge of the UI?
    I volunteer for the platoon! (and no.. I don’t need a blind round).

  145. stpaulsub Clio says:

    Ok great!
    for the 1st time since useing teh new viewer I cannot log in thanks!
    I crash as soon as I log in
    what is going on?

  146. Mar says:

    I’ll download this and give it another whirl. Had to uninstall the last RC completely because it was causing some incredibly funky behaviour on my PC. I have an nVidia GeForce 8600 GT card, and the RC was crashing on startup, when I turned around, when I used camera controls, when I used hovertips, when I was just standing there and doing nothing… In short, I gave up after about 19 crashes in one hour, and I went back to the stable viewer, which I’ve had no problems with at all. *g*

  147. Bernadette Blackadder says:

    Ever since the new RC update today, I have not been able to log back in, keeps saying to check the status of SL. Am I the only one having this problem? It even happens on the normal viewer too and it’s not my connection at all, works fine with everything else I do.

  148. @103 That debug option is getting set to True by running two instances of the client at once. Anyone running more that one client at the same time needs to make sure the first copy they start is the last one they exit (i.e. the one that has voice), otherwise voice gets disabled.

  149. Vincen says:

    The mighty mouse bug is not yet fixed, at least on an Intel iMac. Anyway, I really don’t like the new UI. At least, you let users chosse which UI they want….

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