Super cool new WindLight First Look Viewer!

Download It Here!!!

So. I think you’re really gonna like this one. I mean a lot. You know all that jira reporting we’ve asked you to do? You know all those votes you’ve been giving? Well, our cycles of development, QA, and public tracking have synced up, and you’ll find this latest list of bugs squished extra tasty. Have a look!

* VWR-3121: WindLight: Texture Memory slider shows negative values on certain configurations
* VWR-3103: WindLight: Avatar name tags aren’t selectable/clickable
* VWR-3287: WindLight: Tree lighting appears uneven and harsh during certain times
* VWR-3139: WindLight: Shiny is too strong and should be more backward-compatible
* VWR-3130: WINDLIGHT – no interpolation/tweening on llSetPrimitiveParams moving attached objects, possibly unattached as well
* VWR-3258: WindLight: Performance drops and triangle rendering glitches on some ATI cards with VBO on
* VWR-3162 (
Believe fixed – please check this one out!): WindLight: Objects, avatars, and water sometimes disappear after zooming camera
* Pop up window for unsupported hardware now comes up
* Sky tessellation (complexity of sky geometry) now editable on a slider in Graphic Preferences

You read right! Better Shiny, fixed trees, potentially big fixes to objects disappearing… This release should usher in the crushing of some of the biggest bugs reported out in the wild. See- we *do* take your suggestions to heart, one bug a time! πŸ™‚ Of important note- PLEASE TEST OUT VWR-3162: WindLight: Objects, avatars, and water sometimes disappear after zooming camera. We’ve think we’ve got it but we need wide testing to ensure it. If you’ve been bitten by this bug in the past, and it’s now fixed for you (or still broken!) report on it here. Many thanks!

See the full list of open WindLight bugs.

As always, keep on doing a great job using, issue tracking/reporting, commenting on the viewer, and especially attending our WindLight office hours. These are at:

If you miss a session, transcripts are posted here.

Below you’ll find links to important info related to WindLight:

Have a great time lighting your worlds!!

Regards,
Pastrami Linden and the WindLight Team

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150 Responses to Super cool new WindLight First Look Viewer!

  1. Hyddin McMillan says:

    Yea! Thanks again for makin it better! I know a lot of folks don’t like the bugs new things bring but just look at how far it has come! LOL..Gotta break eggs for omlets! : – )…..I’m goin in!

  2. Skills Hax says:

    yesssssssssssss

  3. Aelynn Akina says:

    Almost first! Thanks for the feature updates! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  4. Ben says:

    10 points for the windlight team, squashing bugs left and right πŸ™‚

  5. This new update makes a great client even better! (^_^)
    Thanks a bunch and keep up the great effort ,,,=^_^=,,,

  6. Fizz Graves says:

    Glad to hear some of the issues are being sorted out, though better support and bug fixes for the problems on the mac viewers would be handy. Seeing as the mac viewer runs very sluggish in areas with high details even on the lowest settings.

  7. alanlee allen says:

    Cool and all, I still don’t see any shadows… when are they coming?

  8. Lomgren Smalls says:

    I quickly downloaded it to check on the bug I reported, but it still doesn’t seem fixed for some reason. Am I the only one still having issues with VWR-3130 listed above?

  9. Danball Tureaud says:

    * VWR-3130: WINDLIGHT – no interpolation/tweening on llSetPrimitiveParams moving attached objects, possibly unattached as well

    Still not fixed. Prims still snap from start to stop and back

  10. RC Sellers says:

    YAY another update LMFAO……. so what have you guys done in the last few days??????????? because FPS and PING is at its highest ever. LAG is horrible.

    4 days ago im using the release candidate or the windlight viewer before this new one, and with my fx5200 card I was getting 20fps some places & 40+ fps at “The Palace” SLB boxing area. NOW the last 3 days ping and FPS SUCK !!!! Also fix the client>rendering>types & features to be keep the options you disable after a relog disabled, why cant you add that feature?????? I dont need tree’s or fog or foot shadows.

    thanks again for great updates you are doing while we are online, and not taking the game down like you used to and ACTUALLY FIX THINGS AND MAKE THE GAME FASTER AND MORE ENJOYABLE.

  11. Sean Heying says:

    I wonder if the nice soft foggy atmospherics of the old viewer, that made a region look big will com back. My regions look tiny in Windlight.

    I wonder if the ground patches will be fixed, all my sand had dissapeared leaving badly textured, oversaturated grass.

    I certainly hope the trees are fixed, my head would ache after 5 minutes of windlight use looking at them, strobing trees was not cool. maybe with this it will be usable by me to start bug testing… until now I could not stay in long enough to create a meaningful Jira πŸ™‚

  12. RC Paderborn says:

    Glad to see this! I love what Windlight promises. For those who got the “* VWR-3258: WindLight: Performance drops and triangle rendering glitches on some ATI cards with VBO on”, I DID find a fix to clear the glitches other than quitting and restarting… Just edit preferences and switch from whatever mode you’re in (high for instance) to medium quality, and back.

  13. Oh, thanks for this new version πŸ™‚ It seems to have about the same performance as the previous one (ie. 30-50% of the regular viewer, at ‘recommended’ settings).

    What was a rather nasty was finding out that snapshots crash WindLight. Uh-oh. If it weren’t for Grab or SnapZ Pro, I would be unable to get any pictures out of this new version…

  14. Ron Crimson says:

    My heart keeps skipping, I’m that excited. The previous WL release disappointed me as I was getting the solarized colors normally associated with 8-bit (256-color) displays – I have an ATI X1650 card – hope this one does it right again. Woohoo! πŸ™‚

  15. U M says:

    What no fix for attachments in the butt, or halfing of the avie? Really people reported some of these bugs? Lets ask a seriuos questen do you ll workers reat the bugs to see if they are real? Or in better explaination reproduce the bug to figureout if its not user side and not LL UI? Because frankly speaking i can understand some of these bug reports but some i just don`t and can`t believe is UI driven.

  16. Porsupah Ree says:

    Very cool! Now to see if this apparent word alignment issue that cropped up with snapshots in 74642 has been slain:

  17. Johnny Mann says:

    I Really like the new Shiny … Low is still too high though…

    Have you guys ever though of making shiny like transparency where you can go from 1-100 or I suppose 0-100.

    It would really make sense and be more customizable… for example if you wanted it look more glossy latex rather than metal… you would want a really low shine.

    Thanks!

  18. Marianne McCann says:

    I can’t wait to see if this also inadvertantly fixes https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3529 πŸ™‚

  19. Dytska Vieria says:

    Thank You WL Team! VWR-3258 the only bug that keep me from using WL full time πŸ™‚

  20. Berry Steinhoff says:

    THANK YOU!

    Still lovin’ WindLight!

  21. TaraLi Jie says:

    I’m having issues trying to DL the Linux client. I’ll wait a bit and try again – thanks!

  22. Mortar says:

    I just tried to DL the viewer, but when I clicked the “Download” button, I got the following:

    This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.

    βˆ’

    AccessDenied
    Access Denied
    1F334FD3A9AF6B20
    βˆ’

    r5EQNboeM7cnJWuA7G+7Rv8+q7Yu3rg+HRStPZIcfmOA33ba3IjdGX34akQcBzau

  23. Trish Mikazuki says:

    Thank you! You should see some of the photos I am getting now with W/L!
    I wuv you SL, LL.

  24. Danball Tureaud says:

    PLEASE TEST OUT VWR-3162: WindLight: Objects, avatars, and water sometimes disappear after zooming camera.

    Still not fixed. Prims reappear after disabling Object/Object Occlusion

  25. Argie Rives says:

    very nice thanks Lindenlab! πŸ™‚

  26. Chaos Mohr says:

    oops it appears the first download was misnumbered as 1.18.6 instead of 1.18.5 as I downloaded it, logged in, logged out, and when I went to relog was told I had to upgrade again – it appears the correct numbered version is now available for download πŸ™‚

  27. Farallon Greyskin says:

    Ok maybe it’s just me but the version number on the download page is “1.18.5.74965” and when I downloaded and installed, and ran it, it then said there was a required update which I let install and now my version number is 1.18.5 (74642) and in deed none of the talked about bug fixes seem to be there.

    Going to try installing new…

  28. Danball Tureaud says:

    Before I forget:
    CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2009 MHz)
    Memory: 2048 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7950 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.1
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 749/184266 (0.4%)
    Viewer Digest: 95ff6646-33fa-a548-0358-b60653b2ffe9

  29. Adxalf Docherty says:

    Ive installed the brand new 1.18.6 windlight viewer, but after login, it tells me that i have to download 1.18.5 :-((

  30. Farallon Greyskin says:

    Ok, uninstalling the old one and reinstalling in a new folder worked, and yes the shiney is back. Though… the super shiney was nice IF you wanted a chrome or high gloss effect! Hopefully you guys can find a way of including the old and new shiney modes.

  31. Blinky Lane says:

    I have installed the update 1.18.6 and got into the game fine, however when i logged out to swap avatars i am now getting a required update pop up saying new required version 1.18.5

    Is this just me ?

  32. I know you’re still waiting for the equipment to fix VWR-925 but I’ll test this too. It’s nice to see so many fixes coming even if it’s not yet for the one I care most about. Well done!

  33. elvisorbit says:

    I really need to buy a new computer that has a card that supports this I am so jel! hehe!

  34. Partington Gould says:

    Same problem with the update.

    Downloaded ‘Second_Life_1-18-6-74965_WindLight_Setup.exe’. Startup splashscreen shows this version lower right.

    When logging in, I’m told to download 1-18-5-74695 (which fails btw).

    I did just download and run the new Havok Beta if that helps.

    I didn’t uninstal the onl Windlight either, so maybe thats my problem.

    Thanks:)

  35. Farallon Greyskin says:

    Hmm actually the new shiney seems a bit “dull” and a tad “cloudy” in comparison to the main client. HOWEVER, I think it is an improvement over all, maybe a little too far in the opposite direction.

    For a lot of things this effect is really needed and the lowest level of the main cliet shiney was too glossy. I’d keep this as a “Glossy: Dull” effect if you are planning on adding new modes! It’s pretty nice. Good “plastic” effect.

  36. Melanie Milland says:

    Tried to compile previous WL first look – missing the file llrendertarget.cpp! Before i bother downloading this one – did you fix that problem, and include all needed source files for building?

  37. Skygirl Kline says:

    This is looking gorgeous! But my main worry is avator lighting. I use a facelight in the current client to avoid shadows. It stops me from looking like a primate. I conducted tests in Windlight without it. Character Lighting is superb except from 10:30am to 6:40pm and 9:10pm to 3.50am during which time I turn into chimp girl..kisses Sky

  38. Michi Lumin says:

    @35 — this is what I worry about…

    Too many people complain that something is ‘too new’ essentially, an appropriate dialback might be 10%, but what usually ends up happening is it is tossed completely or dialed back by 50% or more.

    In the face of broad ‘complaints’, one has to be careful – honestly if every ‘complaint’ was listened to, we’d just end up where we were -before- windlight.

    This stuff is going to take some getting used to, and if folks aren’t open to that, it’ll never progress. And SL’s graphics really need to progress.

    Keeping things the same is not a good idea… This will cause a bigger ‘shock to the system’ and a greater hill to climb when something like materials are actually added. If we get over this hump now, then there’ll be less of a delta later.

    ** Frankly, the new tree changes look horrible. ** What happens now: When a tree isn’t in full detail, it just isn’t environmentally lit. In a sunset, you get a “dark forest” appearance now. Every tree is a dark silhouette.

    This is not an improvement. It’s just nerfing. Now, trees that aren’t in full detail are simply “opted out” of the environment. What’s up with that? Yeah, we have low detail trees. Yeah, they’re gonna react funny to the environment. Is the solution really just “turning off” their reaction to the environment?

    I hope this change doesn’t stay. It looks horrible, and really discongruous. Forests in sunset are now nothing but a bunch of dark blobs. Even turning tree detail up now just makes them “Snap in and out” of reacting to the environtment and not.

    A -lot- more alarming than it was before. At noon, the opposite happens: they just are fullbright.

    Is this really what everyone wanted?

  39. Ohaku Rau says:

    TT_TT it still crashes on logging, and after a long thread of swearing, my now sad Imac and I eagarly await the next Windlight Update, i remember when it didnt crash, and it was soo beautifull..0.0 soon….

    Oh, and sry Imac ^^

  40. Aria Alexandria says:

    New version… always same bad bad performances using mac os leopard tho..

  41. Argent Stonecutter says:

    They say they’re going to add materials, and when they do that shiny will just be a special case of that.

    My DSL is unhappy with the required downloads. What happen, released 1.18.6 prematurely in windlight?

  42. magnus says:

    Thanks for nothing
    You still haven’t done one damn thing to fix the Mac crashing, dont hurt yourself patting yourselves on the back. YEs now it doesnt crash as soon as I log in. It only crashes if I actually want to do anything. You guys suck. If this is the pefromsance when WL goes live you can kiss my account goodbye. Who gives a crap about trees and water when if you try t do anything with them you crash. Get your Freakin prioritues straight and start supporting your customers who are on MAc.
    Kiss My A__

  43. Persephone Milk says:

    I am still not seeing shiny reflections on prim.

  44. Edward Vellhi says:

    i never thought i’d be one of these people bitching about linden labs’ priorities in an ‘unrelated’ blog article but:

    FIX THE F’N TP BUG YOU INTRODUCED RECENTLY IN WHICH FAILED TPS LAND IN THE “UNKNOWN” REGION AND _DISCONNECT_ BEFORE YOU SPEND TIME ON THIS FLUFF!!! i am paying $100/m for _this_?!

  45. mimi says:

    In windlight the world is very dark compared to the old secondlife.. When not facing the sun in sunset and sunrise avatars are almost black, covered in shadow, making their skin and clothes hardly visible, and when facing the sun they are very yellowish/orange. In noon, the shadows have a very high contrast too, so theres no setting in which avatars really look normal anymore. The effect of wearing a skin or textured clothing and textures on houses and furniture are mostly gone with the windlight viewer. The light effect is so heavy it overrides the effect textures give on objects, making all objects in SL look virtually all the same, well textured or not. The effect of textures was what made objects look nice, realistic.. now that effect is undone.

  46. Extremely annoyed says:

    Well, I tried this, and it provides an even poorer image than the last release, and far below the standard viewer, on my dual ATI Radeon x1950 in crossfire mode. Now, as I walk, I have random triangles covering portions of my screen. And the lighting effects make my av look terrible. I have filed a bug report for this with screen shot.

    Sorry, but I really don’t need this. I need to stop crashing, I need the SL infrastructure to work properly. Fix the important issues, and stop wasting time on this fluff until those are addressed.

  47. Digital Digital says:

    I’m using the new windlight client and OMG it is gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. RC Paderborn says:

    The first time I logged in after installing 1.18.6 it let me in. But VWR-3258 didn’t go away. I still have the same symptoms on my Radeon 1650 that extremely annoyed reports on his crossfire 1950 pair.

    On trying to log in again, I too was told I HAD to “upgrade” to 1.8.5.

  49. Ron Crimson says:

    Dangit, I just ran into the same thing. Tried clearing the browser cache and cookies which didn’t help (thought it might).

    Obviously some confusion between the version numbers 1.18.6.74965 (which is what the viewer says it is) and 1.18.5.74965 (which is what the login server expects). One damn digit… Argh!

  50. Ron Crimson says:

    Ah πŸ™‚ The download link has been refreshed to reflect the correct version number… Re-downloading and re-installing. ^_^

    Everyone else being told to “upgrade” to 1.18.5, just download the WindLight viewer again, they fixed the version number πŸ™‚

  51. Argent Stonecutter says:

    OK, even the new “low” shiny still seems too shiny for marine mammals.

    They need more levels of shiny, really. And to make “reflective” a separate attribute.

    Maybe make the current shininess levels map to levels 3, 5, and 7 on a new 10-level shininess scale.

  52. Pastrami Linden says:

    @39 – Ohaku, can you please tell me which Imac, exactly, you have (including GPU?) We’re starting a round of Mac bug fixes (crashes, slowdown, etc.) and I want this info.

    Thanks!

  53. Gaybot Blessed says:

    So far so good. My ATI card has not yet made those vertex triangle explosions anymore. Thank you very much for working on that bug. One odd thing in Windlight though is that at 500 meters in the sky, I can see what appears to be the ocean touching the sky horizon. This looks silly; I don’t think I should see anything but sky up there. Here is what I am seeing.

    Also, my avatar looks too ‘shadowy’ in the face while the Environmental Settings are set to noon. This is my favorite time of day setting, and it has consistently looked bad (as far as avatars) since I started using Windlight. Here is what my avatar looks like at noon.

  54. shidji says:

    So. Did the on-going and multiple-thread issue marked as a ‘show-stopper’ on the jira get fixed in this release, the one where the client locks up anywhere from 5 to 30 seconds at the slightest camera angle adjustment, the one that with my vote had gotten 114 votes so far on just that one proposition? I don’t see it listed above…

    *sigh*

    I don’t need ‘prettier’, I need ‘workable’. Here’s hoping. *fires up the new Windlight client*

  55. Pastrami Linden says:

    @53 – just out of curiosity- do you *really* think this looks bad? Now, yes, I’m going to be doing lots of tweaking to light levels. But try to imagine for a sec what a real person standing in the sun at midday would look like- wouldn’t it be more like this than the previous “always bright everywhere” look?

    Just playing devil’s advocate here πŸ™‚

  56. Gaybot Blessed says:

    Well Pastrami, I would like a face light to work just so my face doesn’t have shadows on it. Honestly I’ve never seen anyone look that shadowy in broad daylight, lol. The regular & Candidate viewers have dark avatars too, but it is not that bad, and I can change it with the face lights. No matter what I do with facelights in Windlight, I cannot light up my face. 😦 That’s all I want. I heard there is another setting I can adjust to fix it for now on my side, do you know what that is?

  57. Roxi Bingyi says:

    What a coincidence! I just finished hooking up a new RL light toy so I could rock out with light while listening to SL musicians, then logged on to see Windlight is available! Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine!

    I’m uneasy about what ya’ll are saying about facelight though cus Roxi don’t leave the house without her facelight.

    Oh well, with every upgrade, I always go for it, so here we go!

  58. Danball Tureaud says:

    Yay \o/… I download the fixed new Windlight (fixed version # that is), and * VWR-3130: WINDLIGHT – no interpolation/tweening on llSetPrimitiveParams moving attached objects, possibly unattached as well * WORKS! Yay

    Will have to see if * VWR-3162 (Believe fixed – please check this one out!): WindLight: Objects, avatars, and water sometimes disappear after zooming camera * is completely fixed

  59. Porsupah Ree says:

    Seems to be working well here – 10.5.1, 1.67GHz PBG4, 128MB 9700 Mobility. No significant issues noticed on Prim Hearts rides or at a friend’s home. Screenshots are working fine again for me. I’ll check out the lighting properly tomorrow.

  60. mimi says:

    To show the difference in the avatars shadows in windlight and the normal viewer, ive made pictures from 4 directions in the sunset setting in the normal viewer and in windlight to compare them.
    In windlight, in 3 from the 4 directions, the avatars are covered in darkness and the other one is very orange. Don’t get me wrong, I love the effect on the skies, but I think the shadows on avatars and objects are a bit overdone! Well just see for yourself:

    http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj239/windlighttest/windlight_avatar_shadowing.jpg?t=1196835147

  61. Argent Stonecutter says:

    Pastrami, I think that “realistic” isn’t the approach you should be going for. Not until the avatar model has been improved a lot, and there’s some way of tweaking the contrast levels for prims… right now it’s screaming for the airbrush of the old lighting system.

  62. Avacea Fasching says:

    2000/XP ?

    What about Vista?

  63. Masuyo Aabye says:

    Water shaders/effects still not working vista/ATi, reopened vwr-3134, although it said resolved it’s not.

  64. Silvari Soleil says:

    Appreciate the work LL. Though. I’d love it if you’d found a way to turn off the ‘Make faces look ugly’ lighting. I do so love walking at the beach now though hehe

  65. mimi says:

    If you feel the shadows on the faces and avatars are a bit overdone too, you can leave your vote on JIRA. Its very easy to vote, click login, login with your avatar name and on the left bottom click the word VOTE for this issue

    https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3634

  66. U M says:

    I know this was going to happen, again LL as failed to test Bug reports. reproducing bug tht are inside the client is vry very important. look at all these cpmplients. I do understand this is a beta live release. But that doesnt forgive not to fix older bugs and these ASSumed wrongly about lighting reflections and shades. here we go again with “BUT BUT the lighting is wrong on my $1200.00 plasm screen monitor!” Fret the thought its someone high end monitor and not their lack of understand the limitations of the UI can do. Priceless but yet again tell us LL doesnt have the man power to correct problems. I love wind light but the problem is too many false bugs are being assumed without first testing them or completely finishing the testing. I keep testing windlight because i love it. But frankly speaking ( I sure hope it to removed like it was early this year )I hightly doubt well see a release of this client anytime soon.

  67. Sylvie says:

    I liked the clickable name tags…

  68. Sylvie says:

    Also.. The objects still dissapear underwater.

  69. Isabeau Imako says:

    Gaybot, I don’t know what you mean-you look fine(?) Check out Mimi’s picts, now THAT is shadowy. I haven’t tried Windlight yet cause I thought there were problems with MACs (aren’t we always the last for bug fixes LOL) but I’ve been dying to. I also have an iMac – I’ll download this 1st look viewer tomorrow( goin’ to bed now) and see if I have trouble logging in… I don’t mind shadows in RL but I’ve become accustomed to light shining in my face in SL… hides all my newbie skin “blemishes” heheh

  70. Michi Lumin says:

    @53, @55, @61 —

    Pastrami, I hope you don’t do too much tweaking of light levels… The goal here isn’t for it to look exactly like the old SL… as Torley said, folks are going to have to get used to new dynamic range and actual specularity and lighting falloff now.

    The way it used to be, your avatar was uniformly lit no matter what. Textures were used to *compensate* for this *shortcoming* in the lighting system.

    The solution isn’t flattening everything. Otherwise, the lighting model will never go forward.

    @69 – I agree, he looks fine here; not ‘auto-lit’ like in the flat old shading/lighting system, but now the lighting is actually interacting with the environment.

    I keep on repeating this: IF PEOPLE DON’T LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIGHTING AND SHADING, you can TURN OFF BASIC SHADERS OR ENVIRONMENTAL SHADERS.

    Please do not force the rest of us to sit in the old drab SL when there are new possibilities with this rendering and lighting model.

    The goal here isn’t to make it look “exactly the same as it used to with a better sky”. It’s to light everying more properly. People’s features cast shadows on themselves in the real world. In acute noon lighting, peopel do not glow.

    Maybe the avatar mesh needs to be dialed up in detail, but that is a -separate- issue.

    Please try turning off the shader options if you don’t like it, versus forcing the world into the old low-contrast, unshaded, self-lit way.

    I can tell a few lighting tweaks have been made in this version. (Saturation seems to be up a bit?) Really I think the avatar meshes look BETTER shaded than they used to.

    I think folks just need to give this a chance, now that we have -actual- lighting, versus having to rely on ‘pre-baked’ shadow textures.

  71. U M says:

    Shakeshead FPS are a nightmare!

  72. Hi;

    My frustration grows!

    Dear lindens… don’t you think it is time to support the
    NVIDIA 8800GT ?

    I bought that gc last week and this really great and absolutly fast hardware(60 fps and more, wow) seems not to be capable to show water reflections. Nor can i change the water color. In fact i can’t do anything with water! its always rendered as crapy dark blue and almoust fully transparent “idea of how water maybe could look like”
    I saw more remarks like this on the web. well it is not clear, whether the drivers are incapable, or the SL integration breaks something. …

    So this morning my heart jumped when i saw a windlight update is out. Yeah, i immediatley tried it out. But nothing changed for me ;-(
    maybe others who own an 8800GT do not suffer from this problem ? so what did YOU do then ? (i’m on xp sp-2, asus M2N-E, bios 1202)

  73. Me says:

    After I changed my graphics settings to “high” the new shiny was really very pretty (when set to med it had a sort of plastic like look), the best shiny I’ve seen so far in SL πŸ˜‰ Only my computer can’t really handle “high” for any longer than a couple of minutes, but I hope I won’t stay on this computer forever.

    The trees are a lot better too in my opinion than they were in the previous version – well that is for the Linden trees, plants and trees that are made by content creators still don’t look that great, but my overall first impression was that they are on the right track with this windlight thing, even if my computer really seems to struggle badly with it at the moment when the pretty stuff is enabled πŸ˜‰

  74. mimi says:

    Michi, textures arent just used to compensate for the lack of shadows, they also show the difference between materials, wood, leather, fabric, metal etc.. show if a material reflects a more shiny or more diffuse light, and to add details that wouldn’t be possible just with the shape alone. (most shapes are still very primitive in secondlife, expecially due to the prim limits)
    With the high contrast no matter if its wood, leather, fabric or anything else, all will look the same – a bit flat, just shape, no difference in material.

    As far as the facial shadows are concerned, I think they make avatars uglier. In secondlife, most people want to look pretty, just take a look around. Most men are handsome and muscular models, most women look like superpretty size 36 photo models, everyone looks young and fresh and handsome. People who try to look realistic are sparse. There are hardly any old, overweight or balding avatars or people with imperfections. People are not in secondlife to live a realistic life, or to look realistic, most people like to live their deam lives here. So why not keep them to look pretty? I believe thats what most people want, they want to be pretty more than beeing realistic. If I wanted things to look and be exactly like in real life, I would be in real life, and not playing this game.

    In real life there are shadows on people, but not as intensive as in windlight. I am not against improving things, but in windlight the shadows are fare heavier than in real life, and make avatars from 3 of the four angles covered in all shadow. Improvement is good, but the way it is now, compared to the rest, the shadows are too much.

  75. Lukas Mensing says:

    Gamers and graphics specialist use excellent graphic cards, but many many many normal people (including businessmen πŸ™‚ use onboard graphic or laptops. These machines are often equipped with intel GM graphic card or similar.
    The ancient version of windlight (few months ago) worked with an intel GM graphic card. I had access to atmospheric advanced settings.
    I can’t anymore. No advanced settings for water and no atmospheric. Many people are penalized as I am by the high end technical choice you doing.
    Well. maybe someday you will ask us for a mainframe or a super calculator to be able to run secondlife:)

  76. Dytska Vieria says:

    Hmmm. Later I perform a second connect session, I get a box to say I must upgrade/download xxx.74965 although that is already what I run the first time! Second time, I select not to run SL after the install, first time I did. Second login attempt after reinstall of same version is ok… But no statistic bar that I normally show.

  77. Argent Stonecutter says:

    Michi: the new lighting makes prim avatars look like hell. Prims don’t blend into each other any more, even with sculpted prims. I’d have thought that this would be a problem for you, and just about everyone you know… it certainly does for me. Until they provide the tools to allow you to specify the level of contrast and shading and how much colors should be washed out, they need to change the shading.

    Change it back exactly the way it was? I don’t know. I kind of like the *overall* feel of the more dynamic lighting. But it needs to accommodate the avatars that currently exist until we have the tools to make avatars that don’t turn into Michelin Men when you shine a sunlamp on them.

  78. U M says:

    It use to be on sl testers they did a range graphic card types test. But now the lindens are getting away with testing a range of low to higher graphic cards. We had problems in the but nothing like now. If you don`t have a middle high graphic card you more then out of luck.

  79. Isabeau Imako says:

    (Very sorry to post a 2nd time…) Said I was going to bed but was just to darn curious! Downloaded Windlight and everything is gorgeous – don’t hate me πŸ˜‰ I set it to noon and wore my facelight. Honestly, I didn’t see any difference with my avatar. When I took the facelight off, though – I couldn’t see an outline of my jaw, ie: I couldn’t see where my neck ended and my face began-weird. Also, without my facelight, I seemed to have a peach-fuzz mustache. I’m a girl so, not pretty… Everything looked fine, just more vivid. My 3 Lag lights were green so I went to the Avilion sim(LOL) where I found 22 other avatars and the 1st light(client?) was yellow. The only thing was I had to “force quit”, maybe nothing to do with windlight. Thanx

  80. Lilly says:

    Hi! The environment is beautiful, but all avatars are very ugly. I hope that can be fixed. It is all sooooooo very dark. And I tried all sliders, it cannot be lightened up. Even when using lights, it doesn’t show.

    Avatars are really very very awful……ugly…. yuuukkkk

  81. Damona Rau says:

    I don’t know where i should begin or end, so i’ll give a general statement:

    The new WindLight Viewer is worse as the former version. Now i get round about 10-15 FPS less as in the former version. Water animation looks with 20FPS like as 5FPS (real comic style), in the former version it wasn’t. Sky rendering was in the former version also much better.

    Ive used the WindLight Viewer because SL runs faster for me. Now i’m on the same framerate like the regular viewer (10-15FPS, more 10 then 15). This kills my fun.

    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3207 MHz)
    Memory: 1536 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7600 GT/AGP/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.1
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 0/17558 (0.0%)
    Viewer Digest: e1d191d1-0f4d-065a-3565-53fbb9937365

  82. Dovic Battery says:

    downloaded this latest windlight, tested it with different settings. it seems much better to look at but same as before, i can’t see anything when under water… reason i want to be under water is i am building a shipwreck for an event , idea being lots of free items will be places in old crates ect and scattered around and inside the wreck for people to find.. anyhoo as well as this we have some awesome fish and coral ect around the island.. i can’t see any of it using windlight and have tried various settings.. and my graphics card has the latest drivers as you can see below.

    Name NVIDIA GeForce 6200
    PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0221&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1\4&3525EC23&0&0008
    Adapter Type GeForce 6200, NVIDIA compatible
    Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce 6200
    Adapter RAM 256.00 MB (268,435,456 bytes)
    Installed Drivers nv4_disp.dll
    Driver Version 6.14.11.6375
    INF File oem8.inf (nv4_NV3x section)
    Color Planes 1
    Color Table Entries 4294967296
    Resolution 1024 x 768 x 85 hertz
    Bits/Pixel 32
    Memory Address 0xD7000000-0xD7FFFFFF
    Memory Address 0xE0000000-0xEFFFFFFF
    Memory Address 0xD6000000-0xD7FFFFFF
    IRQ Channel IRQ 11
    I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB
    I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF
    Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF
    Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\nv4_mini.sys (6.14.11.6375, 6.54 MB (6,854,464 bytes), 04/10/2007 18:14)

  83. Tigey Honey says:

    hahaha – typical LL – if the packet loss, and bandwidth are almost always red, just remove the display for them and throw a stupid search there. and why don’t you just fill the screen with that contacts window – go ahead and remove the graphics entirely, that would at least help the HORRIBLE LAGG – wind light – yea right!!!
    meanwhile we can’t TP without crashing,
    NOT impressed at all

  84. I will grant you that the new lighting looks more “real”. However, I think we should be given the *option* for it not to look “real” on us, and not just to ourselves by tweaking or turning off the environmental shaders, but to everybody, or the vast majority of everybody at least. For example, I have anime-style skins in my store, and a big part of the effect is the ability to put a face lamp on and only be shadowed by the skin, making the nose appear very minimal. With shadows all over the face, the smooth, cartoonish look is completely destroyed. At least give us the ability to opt out of being covered in shadows. Please? -_-;

  85. Harle Armistice says:

    Thanks for all the hard work! It’s really nice seeing so many community concerns addressed so promptly!

    The new shiny looks better in terms of backwards compatibility(I wasn’t totally happy with the way my black shiny goggles turned blue in mid-day), but I actually did like the shiny levels in that it’d be nice to have them available.

    I’d really love to have a 10-level shininess option, as Argent suggested. Or possibly a 0.00 – 1.00 scaler, if that’s doable. It seems like if you can change the shininess like this between builds, it shouldn’t be overly difficult to just give us access to a variety of shininess levels; old and new alike.

    Thanks again! Much love for the Windlight team! ❀

  86. Wow, packet loss is LL’s fault? Gosh, I should have been blaming them for all those years I worked for an ISP and packet loss was such a huge problem for so many of our customers… Oh, it was before LL existed, damn.
    /snark
    Seriously, that is totally why I quit customer service. Couldn’t take it always being my fault when some cruddy bit of copper wire out there in no man’s land hosed up everyone’s day. ^_^ There are a lot of reasons for crap connections. I’d bet dollars to donuts very little of it is LL’s fault.

    Kudos to the Lindens for providing a consistently improving product. WindLight rocks my virtual world! Can’t wait for more fixes and improvements.

  87. Mifune Thibaud says:

    Great job on getting this release out and taking care of the bugs! The object occlusion issue seems to be resolved; havent noticed any glaring bugs other then some issues of disappearing particles.

    Did notice an issue of particles now leading the generating object if the object is moving and the FOLLOW* attributes are used, compared to particle effects in the regular client. (Particles are client side) Posted in JIRA.

    For everyone else,

    I strongly recommend learning how to use the jira.secondlife.com website. If you experience an issue:

    1. Search for the issue on JIRA first.
    2. If you locate it, vote for it; this can add priority to major issues.
    3. If you cannot find it, Create an issue ticket where others can vote for it.
    4. Make sure to be as technical as possible when creating issues or commenting on existing ones as this can help speed up the bug fix/hunt process for the Lindens.

    Being non technical or generally complaining can slow things up as they have to (and they do!) sift through every person’s response to recreate the problems and do what they have to do to resolve them.

    JIRA.SECONDLIFE.COM — USE IT!

  88. Hara Surya says:

    I’ve seen a MASSIVE memory leak in the Linux viewer, I mean like more than 1GB used in 10 minutes and slow response do to swap use on a box with 2GB system memory. I’m normally OK with LL slow response on problems, but this is a major problem on the release client (one Google search found a guy with 3GB system and SL using 1.5GB) and in this case it’s just 10 times worse.

    CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
    Memory: 2014 MB
    OS Version: Linux 2.6.23.8-63.fc8 #1 SMP Wed Nov 21 17:56:40 EST 2007 x86_64
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7800 GT/PCI/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)

  89. JetZep Zabelin says:

    Great tweakage so far, glad I didnt miss the boat this time around.., again!

    What about more local lights? I like to use an attachment to give better lighting and reduce those dark shadows people get. But it’s a problem when more than several avatars have face lamps *and* the scene has it’s own light emitting prims… areas/avatars go dark when they should be emitting light because of the local light (6?) limitation.

  90. Nik Woodget says:

    I tested the first (new) windlight release and thought it was a reason. I haven’t tested it again since 😦 Thats not anything wrong with it. Its just my main beefy rig is packed up in a corner at the moment.

    I’m looking forward to when I can set it up and test it again. Unfortunatly my laptop doesn’t do windlight well, I have to have it in low setting (which does look just like normal SL but duller and a few normal effects turned off too) However I’m fully aware. “Better Graphics needs better hardware) and I for one don’t mind getting the better hardware. Considering PC’s with very good hardware can be obtained for Β£700 here, I don’t see problem πŸ˜› (Though I built my main rig, kinda like building lego now days)

    I like the new lighting, inperticular. and I for one don’t mind the avatar shadows. Its exactly what I’d expect in real-life. Just people forget in real-life there eyes don’t really notice shadows as they adjust to the lower light levels in sunsets and such a like. I’m sure if in real life you went and sat out in a meadow with a red sun on the horizon, the side of you facing the sun would look orange, and the side not, would look very dark. πŸ˜›

    Anywho. yes I look forward to testing this again in a few weeks when I can set my rig up again. Keep up the good work Windlight Team!

  91. Melanie Milland says:

    You’re all complaining about the lighting, yet adding to the misery with those facelights. I think facelights make avies look fugly in the old viewer, with any setting but noon. They destroy local lighting effects in buildings at night, too. I think it’s horrible when someone comes along carrying their own 10m light bubble, lighting up things that shouldn’t be well lit in castles or pyramids.

    I agree that environmental avatar lighting needs a lot of work, in Windlight, but, on the other hand, I’m all for changing the viewer so that the “light” feature cannot be used / will not be honored in attachments! No more fugly “flashlight-under-chin-shining-upwards” facelights, that would be progress!

  92. SK says:

    I agree with what Maegen Parvenu @ 84 said. Shadows on avatar faces look ugly. Lighting on faces looks best if it’s the same lighting all over without defined shadows. That’s why face lights are popular. Sure, Melanie @ 91, if a face light was under the chin shining upwards that would look bad, but I have never seen a face light like that; it would be dumb. If you want to do away with face lights then some change has to be made to prevent faces from reacting to the environment in the normal way (with those ugly shadows). Preferably a setting you can adjust for how everyone sees your own avatar, not for how you see others.

  93. When will be the source code available? There’s still only the old release from few weeks ago on the source downloads page.

  94. Broccoli Curry says:

    Could someone from Linden Lab please phone my work IT department and tell them I have to have a graphics card update please? Thanks!

  95. U M says:

    @86 so the blame is our connections right? :/ yea right! frankly speaking there are more bugs in windlight then are in you might think. The loss of FPS is UI side not connection. Pocketloss and be due to other factors. If you used windlight for awhile now you would understand the oloss of fps etc.

  96. Anthony77777 Bandit says:

    VWR-3139 bug is worst than last release :-(…..why cant shinny things stay like the original ones in Standard SL version? “backward-compatible” not in this one.

  97. Celina Kamachi says:

    VWR-3162 still not fixed,
    happens again and again.

  98. Balp Allen says:

    Do we get to see the code this time before if goes out of beta….

  99. Hal says:

    IMO – Shiny is MUCH better, the specular highlights are lovely, BUT it still obliterates the objects texture too much. I’d like the low setting to look something like satin-varnished wood or polished stone and altho the highlights seem about right now u still can’t see enough of the texture showing thru.

    Also trees still look like a pre-school art project. πŸ™‚

    …and does the ‘Noon’ setting have to look like i’m standing in the middle of a nuclear blast? Duck and cover!

    BTW, using an Intel Mac in Leotard, performance not great but getting better!

  100. Tatanya Vazquez says:

    Abso love it!! Big Gratz on making SL so much more enjoyable again..ty ty ty :))

  101. cindy says:

    When is VWR-925 gonna be fixed?
    I only can see windlight water or windlight sky.
    But not at the same time…

    But if you ask my opion, I don’t want and don’t need windlight.

  102. John Source says:

    I think the avatar lightning is quite overdone too. Avatars turn partly red, while the other side of them is totally covered in shadows. Although this *could* happen with real life light, this is not something i experience on a daily basis, especially in daytime. In real life I dont have to ask people to turn around in daylight, just to see *something* of their face.

    Another concern i have with windlight, is the blurryness of textures…Even textures that are hightly detailed, seem faded and somewhat blurry with windlight. If we want SL to look more realistic, it may not be helpfull if all texture details will dissapear.

    There are 2 kinds of texture details that will dissapear with this windlight blurryness on textures:

    1. Details on objects (the ‘real ‘textures -> think of skin texture, wood texture, etc) will dissapear.
    2. Highlights/shadows on textures will dissapear (these are used to compensate for the simple object- and avatar shapes in second life).

    Even if the windlight stays so heavy, I would at least like details to be visible again.

  103. Edman says:

    All I can say is thank you! The G15 support, the graphics, everything is so headed in the right direction with this browser! updating now!

  104. If Linden Lab is able to figure out a way to deal with two totally contradictory and opposite views on how SL should look like β€” more realistic vs. avatars rendering more beautiful β€” I’ll be seriously impressed πŸ™‚ I don’t see how one can have both at the same time, except, of course, if there is a setting somewhere to turn off avatar shadows or something.

    I wish I had a strong opinion on what’s “better”. I like realistic shadows and would never use a facelight anyway β€” it “robs” the scenery of one of only six available lights. Put six avatars in the same space, all wearing facelights, and the seventh coming in will not be lighted anyway β€” and the whole scenario, if it was carefully modelled to use lights, will be utterly ugly as well. So there is no “perfect” choice here.

    The ability to turn off avatar shadows might aid the ones aiming for a more beautiful look as opposed to a more realistic one, and it would save the precious few available lights per scene. Perhaps that is worth considering. With WindLight, we’re coming to a point where each scene gets rendered how we want to see it, and much less on how the designers have imagined that it should look like.

    One might worry what that means for designers overall when they start to address the issue that each person will see the scene completely differently from what they intended (Facelights, for instance, already change a lot that was unintended!). Perhaps with “tradeable” WindLight settings as an asset this might get addressed β€” designers handing out the “perfect” setting for viewing a site (or an avatar!) and recommending you to use those settings, but you’d have the choice to use them or not…

    Supporting opposing views with the same settings will be impossible. At some point, it’ll be one or the other. If basically you’re walking around in RL with a spotlight pointed to your face, the result would be pretty much what WindLight gives you now. Everybody who has taken a picture using a flash knows what that means β€” all shadows get “washed out” (even during the day) and the result looks flat and unnatural. That’s well known by photographers β€” amateurs and professionals alike. However, flashes are still used by photographers for some special effects, and there are sometimes good reasons for getting rid of a face’s shadow.

    Giving both choices with WIndLight would certainly be nice. How to implement them and make both groups happy? That’ll be a huge challenge.

  105. Rift Rehnquist says:

    Ok well guys firstly keep up the good work. For some unknown reason the Windlight Viewers seem to be the most stable platforms for Vista to date. I don’t really know if this is intentional or just serendipity, but hey whatever works.

    VWR-3162 Doesn’t seem to be fixed sorry guys at the dev team. Good luck in hunting this one down though. What would be nice is just a tiny explanation on what your theories behind this slippery bug are. Perhaps we can get some additional collective grey matter from the community to squish this lubricated insect once and for all.

  106. Adele Okelly says:

    I do really love the Windlight Viewer! The nature is very realistic and enjoyable! The stability is much better than the actual viewer! The one thing is the walls and floors with daylight have white color if the textures are done by creme color for example. But if i set the prim as “full bright” then textures appear as it should be. Thought at night the floor textures and walls will be bright, it is not so realistic for floors and walls πŸ™‚ I noticed as well some strange thing with uploading of textures. I choose “File->Upload Image” and this menu doesn’t disappear but keeps opened if appears the windows dialog box. If i move the dialog box it makes copies on the window. I don’t know if it’s supposed to be so πŸ™‚
    Thank you again for making SL so beautiful for us πŸ™‚

  107. Thor says:

    i still have the old water…………..

    (sigh)

    ATI RADEON HD 2400

  108. Navigator Hax says:

    Sadly it quits (stops responding) if you so much as breath on it…. Needless to say that it makes it impossible for builders to get anything done, so I will go back to using the Candidate Viewer… WL technology rocks but put it together with another greatly flawed venue (SL) and the end result is pure caca.

    Just like the Energizer Bunny… SL and WL keep crashing and crashing, ooops relaps.. me so sorry!

    Peace! πŸ˜€

  109. Navigator Hax says:

    PS… it quits if you try and set your HOME, via the menu. It quits if trying to play or record video. The water still disappears and then refuses to show up again, with graphic settings set to 512. MAXED OUT. – it quits if you so much as look at it funny but it will NOT quit if you choose QUIT from the menu or use a keyboard command to quit the application…… then it simply persists…. and freezes up, hanging and sucking up system resources. This version i s even more flawed than the prior. I use to be able to use WL… Now, it is simply going in the trash. (sadly)….. ack!

  110. Sandor Balczo says:

    Ref. post 55:

    Dear Pastrami,

    I know I should use Jira but since you asked poster no. 39 and I am an iMac user as well, I am experiencing the following:

    1. I cannot logoff correctly, the browser freezes;
    2. I cannot take pictures, the browser freezes;
    3. I cannot use atmospheric shaders because my iMac does not support Direct X (which is made for Windows).

    I have a 2006 iMac w/iSight and 1 GB of RAM.

    Apart form the above, both the non-WL and WL version of SL crash randomly, but I am used to that, the difference being that the latest non-WL browser appears to be more stable.

    Excellent effort, though.

  111. Electron Cleanslate says:

    Letting the Search Team techies run free and take away the tiny bandwidth and Lost Packet indicators in the upper right corner was another Linden blunder. Who needs that useless search block right on the main viewer. Nobody except the self-important techies on the Search team.

    The Users and Residents need those tiny indicators for smooth running. The lag meter and statistics bar take up screen space. Only a foolish Search Team techie deems his/her Search project more important than meeting User needs.

    I’m back to version 1-18-4-3 to get those useful indicators back.

    Anyone else want the Lost Packet and Bandwidth indicators back please vote to bring them back on the jira at
    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3156

    Search team out the door.

  112. Masami Kuramoto says:

    I think the main question regarding avatar looks in WL is this:

    Do you want a lighting model that is physically accurate, or do you want to keep face lights working?

    Because you can’t have both.

    It’s not WL that makes avatars look ugly. They looked ugly in the old viewer too, because they _are_ ugly. The only difference is that face lights don’t work anymore at noon. Guess what, if you hold a candle in front of your face on a shiny bright summer day, your face won’t be lit up! The shadows on it will still appear dark in contrast to the environmental light which is so much more intense than the candle.

    There’s no way to solve this problem except by reverting to the old, non-realistic lighting model. Say goodbye to atmospheric shaders.

  113. Krystal Slade says:

    Okay, I updated the manditory update last night for the windlight, and installed, and had no issues, then I wake up this morning to have to update AGAIN!!!! WHY? oh, the viewer is nice btw

  114. Marianne McCann says:

    Looks like https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3529 is still an issue. Still, I love the overall look – jes no good when you do as many piccies as I do.

  115. Distilled1 Rush says:

    Where are my custom sky settings saved? so that I can drag them out of the files that I need to delete to do a clean install?

    And bravo to the wind light team, this is fantastic and I love me some windlight, I take picks to give to people and some are so amazed at their land and build with this on and from a full max ultra high everything on computer.

  116. Extremely annoyed says:

    Masami – you are wrong. My avatar’s appearance looking bad has nothing to do with face lights, nor does it look ugly in the old viewer.

    Further, if the goal of SL is supposed to be to connect the world, as they claimed in another blog post, then why create a viewer with such high system requirements? That is just plain stupid and counter productive.

    Windlight fails miserably on my dual SLI graphics cards, on a quad Pentium core system. It is not just avatars that look worse, but everything.

    In any case, this viewer is a waste of time and resources. I cannot go a day without crashing, many sims crash multiple times a day. The underlying system is still unstable and needs to be fixed. There are enough lag issues without them adding another lag inducing feature like they did with voice.

    To Pastrami Linden – on my system, the lighting on the avatars is not even close to RL. It is chunky, pixally, and they look TERRIBLE. Yes, they look worse. And no, it is not face lights or local lighting. And no, they do not look at all shaded realistically. But it goes with ground and buildings and everything else looking worse on my system. Frankly, the water looks better, but the sky looks worse.

  117. Zeebster Colasanti says:

    I’m using an iMac and this last update was definitely a step back. The client now hangs for a long time during a logout. Just now, it took me about 50 seconds for the client to log out and quit. I was logged in for about 5 minutes. Yesterday the logout was taking a few minutes, the client was listed as “not responding” and I had to force quit it.

    Also, a problem that is even worse: I cannot see anything under the water. I have made a beautiful coral reef area with coral and fish at different levels from 20m under water, all the way to near the surface. Even with noon sun I could only see faint gray shadows of objects close by, and further ahead I couldn’t see anything at all.

    CPU: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo
    RAM: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
    Video: ATI Radeon X1600
    OS: Mac OS X 10.4.11
    Kernel: Darwin 8.11.1

  118. Zeebster Colasanti says:

    Are there any plans to support the MacBook Pros?

    Model: MacBookPro3.1
    CPU: 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
    RAM: 4GB
    Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT

    This is a normal, current model of a MacBook. The Windlight client tells me the hardware is not supported. The original client works (please don’t break it). I have selected this particular model specifically because the SL supported hardware listed NVIDIA 8600 as supported hardware. There really aren’t that many Mac video options out there and I would think that you’d be interested in supporting the currently available hardware.

  119. Shakeno Tomsen says:

    “VWR-3130: WINDLIGHT – no interpolation/tweening on llSetPrimitiveParams moving attached objects, possibly unattached as well”
    Hooray! You don’t know how much I’ve been waiting for this one!!

  120. Tamasin Demina says:

    Logged on, everything flickered, everything was like it was phantom. Try to click edit on any object and got edit terrain. Like all my stuff is temp rezzing.

    New windlight = baws.

    Also physics of previous one was shocking. Made my helicopter flying a bit less less airwolf and a bit more noel edmonds.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  121. Milla Alexandre says:

    Love it so far. I’m not seeing any particular bugs yet….and as for the lighting on avitars, it’s a simple enough thing to go into the environmental edit and tweek the lighting to best suit the avitar. Some settings look beautiful for landscapes, not so great for portraits. I think it’s asking too much to have everything looking perfect all the time. Even RL isn’t like that. lol Part of good photography is knowing how to set up a shot to best portray your subject. I love the options and challenges that windlight offers~!

  122. pantaiputih korobase says:

    with this viewer and the one before, I do not see any reflections on water – I could see them with the first release.
    Is it a vista problem or my graphic card (nvidia GeoForce 8400M GT)?
    the water reflections were more or less the only thing I really loved, I tried many many different settings in the graphics menu, but no water reflections.
    does anyone have a guess how I get the water reflections back, pls write here or IM me.
    I’ld really grateful for some help.
    hugs, panta

  123. dreamer says:

    Objects and water keep disappearing.

    *frustratedly changes back to normal client*

  124. Jeroen Waisman says:

    Hmm, it seems that I am the only one with this problem, but the installer gives errrors asif it was corrupt.

    This is what it spits out:
    “Error opening file for writing:

    ‘C:\Program Files\…\SecondLife WindLight\app_settings\mozilla\res\throbber\anims29.gif’

    Click abort to stop installation, Retry to try again or Ignore to skip this file.”

    If i hit ‘Retry’ it will give me the same error, and if i hit ‘Ignore’ it wil give the same error for 50% of the files, and won’t create them.
    When i run Second Life after this, the screen is just messed up, and you can definitly see that it is inclompete. Thus; not an option.

    What i did already;
    – Download the installer a second time. (and a third, fourth and fifth)
    – Removed any file in the install directory.
    – Checked if the parent directory-tree was locked or in use by any program.
    – Rebooted several times.
    – Tried installing in diffrent locations on my harddrive.
    – Tried downloading the installer on diffrent locations of my harddrive too.

    My system specs;
    – Name of operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
    – OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
    – OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
    – Processor 1: x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 7 GenuineIntel ~2992 Mhz
    – Processor 2: x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 7 GenuineIntel ~2992 Mhz
    – BIOS-version/date: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG, 13-1-2006
    – Physical Memory: 1,024.00 MB
    – Virtual Memory: 2.00 GB
    – Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6700 XL

    I never had this problem before with Secondlife installer, of any viewer.

  125. Paddy Wright says:

    Coongrats….my sl just got a whole lot better:)

  126. Nedrae Messmer says:

    Nice update, but on Linux with Atmospheric Shaders turned off, the sky still doesn’t meet the horizon at midnight. Means we get a hideous and glaring white band that’s even reflected from shiny prims.

    Someone filed this as VWR-3269 two and a half weeks ago if anyone wants to check it out.

  127. Chilko Tardis says:

    When will nimble be incorporated? Nimble is the super awesome CLOUD RENDERING πŸ™‚
    Please contact on TG.

  128. hugsalot says:

    VWR-3162 is still not fixed. I still see floating nametags with out an avatar under them.

  129. Motor Loon says:

    WEEE!
    I love windlight, I love windlight, I love windlight, I love windlight, I love windlight, I love windlight, I love windlight, I love windlight…

    Cool fixes too, now… fix the rest LOL

  130. Motor Loon says:

    Upps… got so excited I forgot to complain…

    “During install I get error… (first time ever during SL installation)
    Error opening file for writing:

    C:\Program Files\SecondLifeWindlight\Wrap_oal.dll”

    Pressed ignore and it followed by same error on these too…

    vivoxsdk.dll
    ortp.dll
    alut.dll
    SLVoice.exe

    Yeah… just bring me back to ground… no reason I should sit here and actually be HAPPY πŸ˜‰

    (ok, I’m still happy…)

  131. mimi says:

    Ive been playing with the windlight settings a bit and is is possible to make light that both looks very 3d like windlight is supposed to be and makes faces look good. Yay!!! I love windlight this way!

    I am happy that I can use these settings myself, but what use is it to have a good looking avatar when I’m the only one that can see it?

    Why not give people some more default options like ‘noon’ ‘ sunset’ ‘sunrise’ and ‘midnight’? It would be nice if two with softer lights would be added, like ‘morning’ and ‘late evening’ with soft shadows then everyone will be happy!

    That way people can choose whichever setting they want easily, without a complicated menu, AND people will know others that want to can see them look goodlooking as well.

    My new windlight settings are nice for those that don’t want facial shadows, I wonder if there is any way to give them to people in my shop?

  132. Duality Kincess says:

    I can’t figure out exactly how to post this on the link provided, but I’m getting weird avatar things…pixelated avatars, an avatar that looks like it’s behind a chair, although it’s actually sitting in the chair…and still getting invisible ones, too.

  133. I am still getting Funky Triangles with my x1950 and im still having all the prims and water and textures disappear from a sim. I dont see pretty much any difference at all between this release and the previous release at all.

  134. bobbyb30 zohari says:

    Looks good!

  135. FireFox Bancroft says:

    Unfortunately the problems plaguing ATi 2xxx users don’t get enough votes so they don’t get any fixes. Everything broken in the last 3 version? Still broken. See Previous blog posts or just check the Jira.

  136. Slartibartfast Magicthise says:

    Windlight is still the only client that crashes at log-in screen for me.

  137. Slartibartfast Magicthise says:

    More info…

    Crashes at log-in screen. iMac, Intel Core 2 Duo, ATY,RadeonX1600, 256 MB VRAM

    Partner has identical machine – both bought at same time. Runs fine on hers, crashes on mine, go figure. If I find any differences between the 2 machines I’ll let ya know.

  138. shawnwirtz tiki says:

    avatar shadows are still a little harsh under the eyes and sides of head

    but its getting better with each version you hand out

  139. Slartibartfast Magicthise says:

    2 gig RAM, sorry – forgot.

  140. The Todd says:

    Wow, I’ve never looked at water in such a way before… looks great

  141. Doris Haller says:

    Windlight
    Age verification
    New search

    Lag

    I gotta pack my things

  142. Michi Lumin says:

    @131 —

    Actually, settings, as far as I know, can be given out, and I hear that this may be facilitated better in later versions.

    Right now we *do* have the option to adjust things ‘to your own liking’; I’m mostly concerned about losing the ability to have what we do have now with the new lighting.

    Honestly, as far as avs looking like ‘the michelin man’, in the long run, sculpties should take care of this. IT’s all part of advancement, and I guess in the time I’ve seen this, the years I’ve been watching SL development, while there may be ‘growing pains’ I tihnk we need to get over the “graphics like 1998” hurdle once and for all.

    It’s not to say that we’ll never have better trees, better avatar meshes, or better ways of blending prims or implemented sculpted shapes without seams.

    But if we don’t move forward in one area (lighting), moving forward in others isn’t going to mean much either – they may even be held back.

    I’ve seen this new lighting model “almost make it” several times already. As Torley said, it will take some getting used to and we’ll have to adapt some things.

    But I don’t think SL should stay ‘old’ just for the sake of there not being change.

    And I’d hate to see the possibilties of Windlight neutered to the point of being nothing but shiny water and a new sky texture.

  143. magnus says:

    Pastami, Since you asked,
    I am having the same problems as stated above
    1. I cannot logoff correctly, the browser freezes;
    2. I cannot take pictures, the browser freezes;
    3. Still crashing randomly.
    I have a Mac PRo
    Model Name: Mac Pro
    Model Identifier: MacPro1,1
    Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Xeon
    Processor Speed: 3 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 2
    Total Number Of Cores: 4
    L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
    Memory: 4 GB
    Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz
    Boot ROM Version: MP11.005C.B04
    SMC Version: 1.7f10
    Serial Number: G86401PHUPZ
    2 – NVIDIA GeForce 7300GT cards

    I hope your upcoming mac fixes will address the seemingly endless problems your mac CLients are facing

  144. Tod69 Talamasca says:

    So far I’m loving WL!!! πŸ™‚

    A bit harsh lighting when set to Daylight, but otherwise ok. Textures seem to load a bit faster, same with stuff rezzing.

  145. Wyald Woolley says:

    I run Mac OS 10.4.11 on a 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo in a MacBook Pro laptop. The graphics card is an ATI Radeon X1600 with 256 MB of VRAM. Furthermore I connect wirelessly to the internet over an older Apple Airport.

    I should have had all kinds of lag problems, but was astonished to have been able to do everything I wanted to without crashing or lagging or suffering low fps.I even streamed music while I walked around indoors and outside. I don’t know why I had no problems, because I’m sure many others have had terrible problems.

    I had to wear a face light to feel I had a reasonable decent face appearance. The face light worked really fine as always.My eyes seemed to be overly shiny without the face light…in fact I felt that my eyes seemed to glow in a darkened room like an animal’s eyes.

    Many things looked worse than they once did, and most things looks about the same visual quality. The biggest differences were water and sky, which is really not much improvement in place of performance hits for so many residents.

  146. Thadicus Caligari says:

    Would love to see this client but its not cooperating with me. I start it and it detects my display and crashes.

    I have an Nvidea GeForce 7600 with 256M dedicated ram. AMD x2 processor, and 2G of Ram. Did try updating my video drivers.

    1.18.6 Release Canidate works great. Windlight crashes.

  147. FireFox Bancroft says:

    @141, What is exactly wrong with the new search? Feedback would help Lindens address whatever issue you have with it.

  148. Ohaku RAu says:

    OH GOD!! I JUST REALIZEDD THAT YOU TALKED TO ME!!!
    YAY
    im imac is the brand new one, with the whole shebange, ill recrde the info asap!
    Model Name: iMac
    Model Identifier: iMac7,1
    Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
    Processor Speed: 2 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 1
    Total Number Of Cores: 2
    L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
    Memory: 1 GB
    Bus Speed: 800 MHz
    Boot ROM Version: IM71.007A.B00
    SMC Version: 1.20f4
    If this isnt what you need IM me on tsl pls, i wanna help

  149. Al Sonic says:

    This conversation strikes me as proof that a lot of people need a Full Bright checkbox on their skin.
    Speaking of bright, My glow+shiny(low) gem has never looked this awesome before!

    @44 Edward: Calm down and think about which Lindens you’re speaking to. The Lindens handling this viewer and this blog post aren’t, and won’t likely become, the Lindens who work on teleport bugs and similar server-side issues. If and when comments like this are removed as off-topic, that’s why.

    @116 Extremely: That would be quite useful if you could offer any screenshots of what you’re certain looks worse. My laptop is incompatible with Windlight skies and waters, so its clouds clearly ARE worse here, but that’s because they’re a perpetual overcast gray.

    @131 mimi: For now you can just share your .xml files at C:\Program Files\SecondLifeWindLight\app_settings\windlight. They’ll start making the files into in-world sharable assets after they start implementing Windlight server-side.

    “I’d hate to see the possibilties of Windlight neutered…” While I quite agree with the sentiment, I expect that the worst that could happen is the default setting ending up approximating pre-Windlight. But that could possibly be kinda sad too.

  150. mimi says:

    @149 thanks for the help!

    There may be a solution to the “what would be the best settings to make everyone happy in windlight”

    What would be a nice option is to give estate owners the ability to set the default light settings that people will see on their own sim themselves: A shop owner might for example love to have people by default to see themselves with softer shadows on their sim and for people to be able to see the skin they buy from all sides in a soft light. A goth sim owner may want the light by default to be ‘foggy’ and somoene who has a tropical island may want the light to be bright and have heaviy sunsets and shadows. If people want to override a lands settings they should be able to do so the same way as they can do now, but why not give sim owners a choice of how they want the light to be by default on their own land themselves? That way people can choose in which sim they would like to be, and know the majority of users sees them as they want them to be seen!

    You can vote for this option on JIRA:
    http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3742

    (voting on jira is simple, just login with your secondlife user name, read if you agreee with the idea and on the left down corner click on “Vote for it if you wish it to be fixed”)

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