Introducing the Second Life Grid

Today, Linden Lab launched the SecondLifeGrid.net website, a resource for businesses, organizations and educators for creating a successful virtual presence on the Second Life Grid platform. Since the launch of Second Life, Linden Lab has been working to further open and expand the virtual world. The SecondLifeGrid.net website recognizes the opportunities virtual worlds provide to organizations,

To date ‘the Grid’ has been used synonymously with Second Life. However, with launch of SecondLifeGrid.net, Linden Lab is separating Second Life the virtual world (the product) from the Second Life Grid (the technology platform).

Second Life is and will remain focused on Residents, but virtual world technology also has a lot to offer to organizations – educators, enterprises, brands, nonprofits, and others – and the Second Life Grid will enable these organizations to understand and create meaningful 3D immersive experiences. Through new programs like the Community Gateway Program and the Global Provider Program, Linden Lab will provide guidance and support for local and international organizations interested in maximizing their participation in the virtual world of Second Life.

The Community Gateway Program is a new program for communities that wish to offer their own registration and orientation process for Second Life. Currently in beta testing, there are already more than a dozen organizations offering their own orientation experiences and gateways into Second Life as part of this program. Approximately 40% of new Resident registrations are already going through these community gateways. The program helps new Residents rapidly find like-minded friends and interest groups, which results in improved retention rates. Melting Dots in Japan, Showtime’s The L-Word in the US, and Telstra’s BigPond in Australia have all been very successful Community Gateways, and we’re looking forward to enrolling more organizations in the program. If you’re interested in learning more, please email gateway@lists.secondlife.com.

The Global Provider Program provides a higher level of account management and technical support and services for those bringing large communities of non-English speaking Residents onto the Second Life Grid. For example, Kaizen Games, Linden Lab’s first Global Provider, hosts Mainland Brazil which provides Portuguese resources for Second Life Residents. Global Providers will offer localized experiences in the virtual world of Second Life to create language specific experiences for communities all over the world.

These programs join our existing API programs to form a set of tools that will help organizations be successful in Second Life. The Exchange Risk API helps organizations to safely operate Linden dollar exchanges, and the Registration API enables groups to register new Residents via their own websites. These programs are already helping organizations create their own connections between their Web presences and the virtual world, and the Second Life Grid will further help them to leverage the powerful technology behind Second Life.

We invite all educators, businesses, nonprofits and other organizations to learn more about how others are successfully working in the virtual world of Second Life. The platform, tools and programs available on SecondLifeGrid.net will provide the foundation needed to create a successful virtual world experience.

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141 Responses to Introducing the Second Life Grid

  1. I have a feeling this will ultimately generate a lot of comments.

  2. Joker Opus says:

    Wow great! Thanks for this info!

  3. ahoving says:

    A momentous occasion. As Sphere Gasser would say, “We’re going up to 20 million. See you there!”

  4. hugsalot says:

    ah good they are licensing their technology, good deal. Maybe there.com will upgrade and license it?

  5. Mel says:

    A lot of this seems to have been around for a while in bits and pieces. Thanks for the reminder that they exist. Will there be a way for the two parts to mesh outside of the occasional blog? Many communities that are already founded in SL but who are not sponsored by organizations could make use of this information to function more efficiently. Could you put a spot on the log in page like “Want to Learn More…” with some of these other addys? If you don’t visit websites often and dont know what to question… having things like this link, the one for the calendar, (is there a separate one for Linden Office hours?), etc. at your fingertips would be wonderful.

  6. Marianne McCann says:

    I’m suddenly reminded of AOL’s old Greenhouse project of the late 1990s. best of luck. 🙂

  7. Paulo Dielli says:

    “The Second Life Grid is a full-featured service platform of revolutionary technologies”

    LOL

    But really, I like it 🙂

  8. Zee Pixel says:

    So I read through some of this and I guess I’m missing something here. This is basically a glorified directory for companies to advertise their added value services for Second Life?

  9. LuvSun Jenkins says:

    Does anyone have advice? In processing my user name, I unfornately sent the date; however, it was unfinished, and I could not re-enter and I really wanted the first name that I had picked. So I had to rechange in order to get here at this point. Newbie with this site. Thanks Kathleen
    luvsuncat@yahoo.com

  10. Einsman says:

    Neat. This reminds me of what There.com did in licensing their stuff to the military.

    This is actually starting to really indeed look like a 3D IRC client… with an economy of course.. But if I’m not mistaken.. this is what Active Worlds did. So its nothing really ‘revolutionary’.

  11. Very awesome, I hope a lot of companies decide to take advantage of this! This is just going to be awesome 😀

  12. This is nothing so much as a method to sell Second Life as a tool for real life business. More real life, more rules, more censorship, less freedom and creativity for us immersionists, more gaping holes punched in the essential vitualness of “our world, our imagination”. And guess what? To quote from the website “..and a massive existing base of end users and user-created content that can be leveraged in your own virtual world offering..”

    You and I dear residents.. we are the bait.

    How does it feel to be a marketable commodity? Something tells me I’ve just been sold.

  13. Desmond Shang says:

    A smart move, and long time coming.

  14. Farallon Greyskin says:

    “Second Life is the showcase virtual world WHERE end users can create an infinite variety of content and participate in a robust virtual economy, free of traditional social and technological restrictions.”

    I fixed this line for you…

    “Second Life is the showcase virtual world WHERE end users can create an infinite variety of content and participate in a robust virtual economy, encumbered by traditional social and technological restrictions.”

    Your welcome!

    🙂

  15. Cocoanut Koala says:

    “What is the difference between Second Life and the Second Life Grid?

    “Second Life is the showcase virtual world WHERE end users can create an infinite variety of content and participate in a robust virtual economy, free of traditional social and technological restrictions. The Second Life Grid is WHAT makes Second Life possible: a service platform that provides scalable server infrastructure, highly detailed and configurable features, field-proven customer service tools, and a massive existing base of end users and user-created content that can be leveraged in your own virtual world offering.”

    —–

    Ooooh, good to know that we’re not really on the GRID anymore.

    We’re just part of the WHERE. We’re the “massive existing base of end users and user-created content” that can be “leveraged” by the REAL people on the REAL grid (you know, the real-world companies, businesses, educational institutions, etc.) for their own purposes.

    And good to know that they will be getting all the WHAT, not us. I wonder what all the WHAT goodies are that are in store for them?

    Now that you’ve spelled it out, there should be much less confusion as to who is the chopped liver here.

    I, for one, hope that I can play my role as bait nicely enough for you, even as I pay you for the privilege of being leveraged.

    coco

  16. To # 11 Cocoanut Koala:

    Amen, Brotha

  17. Seems like Linden Lab pimping its stuff some more is all. Surprised that there is no ‘First Bling’ link, but I see that the ‘Official Guide’ is there…

    Nothing wrong with that, but it does seem a little too much marketing and not enough content. I hope the book sales offset that. O.o

  18. Blinders Off says:

    Cocoanut, I’m glad to see there’s at least one other person that saw beyond the fanfare and through to a Bladerunnereque future. The residents have made the grid what it is, but now, we’re no longer part of the grid, we’re just Second Life. Hey, that would be all fine and dandy… if Second Life was actually working. But when group IMs aren’t working (how hard can it be to transfer a simple text message to members of a group?) and the GRID just becomes more unstable with every release, I foresee the day that the RESIDENTS will be left holding an empty sack on “our world”.

  19. maggie mcardle says:

    well said coco.

  20. U M says:

    Bouncy words and phases……

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  22. Jakyl Lightfoot says:

    It sounds to me like LL is moving from it’s residents to it’s commercial use and gain. I might sound crazy but is LL trying to make residents seems less important and focusing on RL companies coming in? Let me know will you? -Lost Kitten-

  23. Joker Opus says:

    @ Roku
    O_o coco is a woman

    @coco
    Your oppinions are solid, nicely stated.

    As for my full oppinon…
    Its suspicious for me why you want to separate the game and the tech, Is it because you want to direct Tech Support Questions to the Tech staff? If so thats understandable, to keep orginised. But Its a really bad idea to separate the two seeing as the game and the grid come hand and hand. Also this is going to be another one of those things that a linden directs you to. First it was:
    “Hey Linden, was wondering if you could help me out”

    “Submit a ticket”

    Now when we submit a ticket about grid performance is the ticket system going to reply:

    “Visit SecondLifeGrid.net’

    What ever happened to the stable team that took time to answer their instant messages, not just shove us off to some web portal. What happened to that team that actually HELPED YOU IN WORLD.

    -Jokeiroo

  24. Kahni Poitier says:

    Fix it for the residents before you try and lure business dollars into it.

    And you wonder why the corporate write-ups suck….

    How many companies will put up with this level of performance?

    Oh, they won’t have to. They’ll be catered to.

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  26. Jakyl Lightfoot says:

    Trying to see the sense in in…really am… It’ll be interesting to see how this one turns out though! -Lost Kitten-

  27. Jakyl Lightfoot says:

    *it

  28. U M says:

    As this evo occures the common people are going t be less and less important. commerical as someone said is going to be the main focal point of this VR. As for the “The program helps new Residents rapidly find like-minded friends and interest groups, which results in improved retention rates” this is yet to be seen. ALl they have done is create more and more alts. No real value to the Grid. Stop patting yourslf on the back LL.

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  30. GoogleMama says:

    Well, now you can see why consierge service went 24/7, can’t you… wouldn’t want out biggest peon investors complaining too loudly where our corporate gods might catch wind of it.

    And now, as I’ve been saying for months, you can also see you are all nothing but sheep…. who pay for the privelege.

    You are here to lure in the “real” money, to pay out even MORE of your own to them to keep them happy and investing…

    Don’t you think maybe it’s time for an “open letter” to some of these desirable corporate masters from some of the “food chain” lower down explaining ot them just what a pile of garbage they’ll be investing their time and money in??

    Sheep, meet Wolves…. Wolves, sheep meat…

  31. BrightAngel Summers says:

    I vote we all make the ceo of LL push to resign! He is selling us out!, when is the board of directors gonna see , with all the failures and bugs sl has , the seperate real business grid is gonna have the same , now we know where are real money is going to support the real business grid instead of the main grid where the residents are being shut down slowly , land , no games , no gambling , but the real business grid will have all that just watch and much more now I know why sl shut down our fun. …

  32. Daryl Shepherd says:

    Reminds me of Paltalk…moved from chat..to voice/cam (with the resultant fragmentation into language based groups)…to being purged of the more obvious and less ‘desirable’ activities/groups (except the commercially operated ones)…and thus on to being touted as a business tool…

  33. Daniel says:

    A Virtual world where business thrive. MMMMMMMMM. Now we will see big companies using SL for free advertisement. Big bosses has come to SL. iT’S SUCKS

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  35. Darien Caldwell says:

    never heard of Paltalk…. maybe one day we’ll say the same of Second Life, if they keep it up… LOL.

  36. Ok, you made the SLgrid.
    First, GRID in the second life (and beyond) is some kind of the holy term. Residents are sensitive to the use of it. It has literally metaphysical meaning. Yes, it is by large your merit, but that makes you even more responsible for the future uses of the term.

    Second, there is nothing wrong with making a new web-site for technology that goes beneath what we know as second life. But, for grid’s sake, when you publish things like this double check what you wrote. Then get in the role of somebody who will read it, not common resident but the most venomous of your commenters. And after that read it as a common resident. Sincerely. And see if anything is poking eyes or scratching the skin. If it is, polish it, don’t just throw it on the blog.

    It is called good public relations. Good public relations are very important for the business. They are even more important than your addressing the big companies and RL media. Especially if your business is dependant on the residents.

    This happens over and over again. At least every two months we have an announcement which provokes comments like above and blog posts that will follow this time too. Neither you or we don’t need that.
    Let’s fix that communications for the benefit of all of us. Shall we? Thanks.

    Crossposted at: http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/slgridnet-and-the-holy-grid

  37. Justkickzazz Taurog says:

    The word is out…..we’ve been (and will be as long they need us) the alpha and beta tester for Linden Labs. Now they see their “product” as being ready for making some real money with it.
    Jeez, this was the first time I actually had to PAY for being a tester 😉

  38. who is your branding consultant?

  39. Broccoli Curry says:

    Let’s hope that some of the corporations lured in by this new site have more of a clue than most that have got here already.

    After all, we are not a resource for their benefit, neither is SL a cheap advertising outlet … there’s plenty more that they could do to actually make their presence here more appreciated. I guess it just depends whether they can be bothered to be different.

  40. Elle Pollack says:

    Market speak, like techie speak, sometimes requires translation. o.o

    Community Gateway Program – Formerly known as Community Registration Portals, as per http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/06/05/an-experiment-for-new-residents-community-registration-portals/. These can and do include established SL hubs as well as RL ventures; Azure Islands is one.

    Global Provider Program – LL is outsourcing/licencing parts of the service to companies who will attract non-English speaking communities. The third party such as Kaizen manages most of the stuff like the website, currency exchance or community policies that LL usualy does, except, I think, the software and the server hosting. To some degree it appears LL is offering a different kind of support to these people but if they’re essentialy running their own corner of the Grid, it’s for good reason.

    SecondLifeGrid.net – Catherine’s description is confusing but yeah, it’s a plug to companies and nonprofits and includes some other resources.

    None of it has anything to do, good or bad, with Joe Avatar and Jane Resident, A.K.A average Second Life users.

  41. LaeMiQian says:

    Having SL ‘separate’ from “The Grid” could well be as sensible as having the “Web” separate from the Browsers and the Web-servers. This latter being largely why the ‘Web’ is where it is today relative to the original AOL, eWorld, etc.

    Could be marketing spin, or it could be another small move towards properly opening the grid (which will likely happen with or without LL’s blessing eventually, so they may as well keep creeping in that direction)..

  42. U M says:

    If this company that brought us here, then left us flat. What means does that provides to companies to be treated just the same some time down the line?

  43. Elle Pollack says:

    @Joker (#18)
    “What ever happened to the stable team that took time to answer their instant messages, not just shove us off to some web portal. What happened to that team that actually HELPED YOU IN WORLD.”

    They got so swamped in help requests from the growing population that they weren’t being able to get work done *or* help people.

    Or to use techie talk, it wasn’t scaleable. Sad but true reality of any fast growing business – the bigger you get the more things that can go wrong and the less time you have for one on one interaction.

  44. Will this be a place I can promote/discuss my live video streaming and hosting ‘slodcast’ from/to Second Life?

  45. Coke Supply says:

    “Second Life is and will remain focused on Residents” – HA!!!

    We felt this “focus” when you clipped our stipends. We felt it when you removed the rating system. We felt it when you banned gambling. We felt it when you decided that adults must submit their RL identities to some shady 3rd party organisation in order to continue being treated like adults. Now we’re feeling it again as you sell out the grid from under us.

  46. Broccoli Curry says:

    Most of that site needs translating from ‘corporate’ into english. I can see how the ‘big companies’ that impress each other with buzzwords can benefit, but the smaller company just wanting a nice small SL build could be intimidated and put off by much of this new content.

    I’m not 100% convinced, having looked further into it, that this is really going to be of benefit for the smaller company wanting an SL presence, or the smaller SL developer to gain business.

  47. Guy Gardenvale says:

    Seems that the progression to bcomming a tool for commercial enterprise is a natural evolution for any business seeking expansion. There may even be a benefit for us “peons” in that SL will be more financially capable of purchasing better (or more) equipment with the infusion of corporate dollars.

    Will there be better jobs available with the new corporate members? If corporate members do hire, will DOL take an interest in work hours vs compensation? Is this the invitation to the IRS to take an active interest in SL? When you play with the big boys, you have to be ready for the bells and whistles that go along with it.

    Nothing is static, even in the virtual world. Change is inevitable. Hopefully, those making the decisions have done their homework.

  48. U M says:

    @35 and who are they going to rely on to help them inworld? The us? You bet!

  49. Breeze Winnfield says:

    Good Golly, more LL speak. Scalable servrs? Appearantly LL means you can add more servers to service more people cause the grid in SL has no dynamic balancing at all and zero scalablity, ie. put a lot of people on one server and it crashes, other servers contribute zip to carrying the load. Superior technology? Havok 1? Physical objects crashing sim? A database constantly missing inventory items? Failing to rez? Missing images? Gosh, laughing here, Field-proven customer service? Falling off my chair here, was in sl long enough ago to remember customer service but…Millions of users? SL has never had concurrency of 50K, small potatoes in the MMO universe. Dont let the corporate types know, it seems Philip still smokes and takes trips to some Other virtual world.

  50. Brace says:

    Lovely

    Now can we have the Second Life dot com forum code back?

    Now that the media will be focused on that shiny new shiny, the rest of us would like to get back a normal functioning forums

    and yeah Coco:
    you said it ALL

    AMEN sistah gurl! I see you rember back when philly spelled out in that TH about how choppted liver we all are.

    Nice to see he wasn’t for once just talking out of his colorful codpiece

    “Thank you for building SL, now get the hell out the way while we court the corporations, appreciate all yer financial support, but we gotta move on”

    Say it coming.
    Now its here.
    Enjoy! 😀

  51. Well hopefully if RL companies can go and do their own thing on private grids then they’ll stop complaining about what Second Life residents get up to and then stop asking for all sort of things that are perfectly legal in most of the world (i.e. outside USA) to be banned in the vain hope that we will then go around SL looking at the depressing stuff they peddle. Don’t they realise we joined SL to leave them behind in RL.

  52. I was wondering why the secondlife web site has been simplified… I get it now with the Second Life “GRID” web site but I have to say, you’ve really made a mess out of the two so far. The cross-linkings are SO confusing. :O

  53. HealthStar says:

    Nice to see where so much planning and work and man hours have gone while the grid….wait do we still call it that, do we call it the resident experience now…well whatever that thing is where I come to try and conduct business, socialize with friends, explore interests, and what not, whatever we are calling that now, it is nice to see where the real focus has been while that “whateveritscalledtoday” burns down around us resid…no wait……use…..no wait……custome…..no wait…..content crea….no wait….what are we called now, what was that buzzword? oh yes “leveragees”. Yes while the service we have been paying dearly for continues to be plagued with *insert your favorite bug here (isnt bug such a cute word for broken, much better i think, broken sounds so..well bad, bug is much better*
    “Oh yes Mr. Corporate Resident Portal Provider, the leveragees you seek have found a few bugs here and there in the user experience” Compared to.. “Oh Yes Mr. Big Fat Pocketbook, the current user base of paying customers is rife with complaint about parts of the service are currently broken.”
    The issues and problems that plague the user experience now will turn off RL business and communities the same way it did the last time this sort of push was made (this one is much better organized I will say, and will likely catch more flies this time around). But the grid (throwback term) till is not ready. What major corp or community entity wants a site that can not hold more than 40 people at a time? I assume they will not be plagued with many of the things the normal day to day users are plagued with, they aren’t in here doing the things we are, rezzing stuff, scripting stuff, building stuff, trying to manage a massive inventory on a clunky file tree, TPing from place to place, trying to socialize and etcetera, so they will not see firsthand the broken parts of the service. Servicewise, they will get what they pay for I believe. What they will not get however is a strong user base of happy people. If residents can’t TP to their builds, see grey blanks where their pretty signs should be, can not walk from one side of the build to the other without rubber banding into the next sim, then the best “leveraged” presence in all of virtual worlds does no good.
    It looks like the big change this time around is with LL telling these entities to bring their own users, a much much better approach than last time. The corp buy ins in the last round quickly realized that 2 million users meant nothing when concurrent sets of eyes on grid was at 24k, with a third of that number likely being alts. To tell the corps to bring their own eyes is a good move. Instead of trying to get current SL people to look at their ads, they can use their own RL ads to say, “come see us in SL”. That is a big change, a change from brand introduction, to brand extension for corps. That solves the backlash they got from long time Sl’ers the last time around that stood up and said “No way I ever visit the Dell sim”. If Dell brings new people in just to see their build they do not have to worry about the old guard. The more i think about this the more I see a fairly smooth move here on LLs part. They use us “leveragees” to tout new corp business in, they then get the new corp business to advertise SL to their current customer base in their RL ads, this brings in a flock of new untouched newbs that are farmed in and trained to use SL by whatever entity they come through. Once they are in they are going to obviously filter through, explore the rest of SL, become citizens, buy some land, pay some tier, and we all know that is where LL makes their money anyway. This whole thing is just to drive tier revenue. Sure they might make some money on the corps, but not like the make on tier.
    Okay, now I see it, sweet. It is all to drive concurrent user count up in the end. Cool by me, means more people to buy my stuff. But PLEASE O PLEASE fix the broke stuff, if you don’t fix the broke stuff this brilliant plan will not pay off for any of us.

  54. Deira Llanfair says:

    I think this is a positive move overall and really an impressive achievement. Nice, clean-looking website design too – much better than this one.

    Caveats? Well I work for a big IT services company in RL and the questions we would ask are:

    – How secure is this platform?
    – How stable is it?
    – How often will we have to update the software?

    AND – most importantly:- What will it cost?

  55. Tegg B says:

    Joker Opus Says:

    September 4th, 2007 at 9:12 PM PDT
    @ Roku
    O_o coco is a woman

    @coco
    Your oppinions are solid, nicely stated.

    As for my full oppinon…
    Its suspicious for me why you want to separate the game and the tech, Is it because you want to direct Tech Support Questions to the Tech staff? If so thats understandable, to keep orginised. But Its a really bad idea to separate the two seeing as the game and the grid come hand and hand. Also this is going to be another one of those things that a linden directs you to. First it was:
    “Hey Linden, was wondering if you could help me out”

    “Submit a ticket”

    Now when we submit a ticket about grid performance is the ticket system going to reply:

    “Visit SecondLifeGrid.net’

    What ever happened to the stable team that took time to answer their instant messages, not just shove us off to some web portal. What happened to that team that actually HELPED YOU IN WORLD.

    -Jokeiroo

    Hmm not enough of them and the world is too difficult to use to help people apparently 😛

  56. Ursa Henley says:

    Wow now everyone gets to see first hand just what i said was going to happen a year ago. I knew this was coming and i tried to tell people but everyone was all gaga for the pretty lights and all, how much did you each spend to make LL their fortune so they can now turn their backs on all of us. I said it then and ill say it again unless your a corp. with huge dollars which they get from us also, your nothing to LL but a paycheck. and im willing to bet if the corp pull out LL will more than likely pull the plug faster than EA does.

  57. U M says:

    If you think growth is large now. Wait until LL adds theose other servers. OMG well be at 20,000,000 population april or may 2008. This is not a good sign.

  58. FallenAngel says:

    I have a great idea, how about LL fixes secondlife of all its messed up stuff first before introducing anything else new to the game….

    like example: this last week you cant move or nothing rezzes, how
    about fixing the game first for the old timers before worrying about finding a new way to make more money

  59. zebadee says:

    Anything to stop the leaving or bring back revenue generated by major corporations eh?

    How about making a stable client/server side?

    Shiney website gimmicks and pulling magic tricks out of your sleeves arent going to fool anyone.

  60. Fortunately, real world companies have already realized who unstable second life is as a means to their business models. How many have abandoned ship already? I think LL is just trying to put some new spin and gloss on a dull surface. Would be inerested how many real life corporations actually nibble at this. I suspect, few.

  61. Deira Llanfair says:

    @41 I forgot to ask – How well will this work on a standard office desktop/laptop?

    Please remember that although large companies may have a big, fast corporate network, their user base are generally equiped with basic machines with 512 RAM and low end graphics cards.

  62. Noisey Lane says:

    “…but virtual world technology also has a lot to offer to organizations – educators, enterprises, brands, nonprofits, and others – and the Second Life Grid will enable these organizations to understand and create meaningful 3D immersive experiences.”

    Currently over 9 million of us (or our alts) are “others”.

    Define “a lot to offer”.

    Define “meaningful”.

    While I applaud any effort to make SL a better experience for its users, as a RL student with a budget of zero, I’ve managed to open an in-world business. I’ve had to learn how to build and create clothing mainly with the help of third-party blogs and websites, (due to the fact going anywhere near the dubiously named ‘support portal’ leaves me quivering in geek-speak techno fear) I believe big business probably have the resources already to create their own ‘immersive experiences’ without LL having to hold their hand as they do what every other resident has had to do to date. Namely, get into SL and learn through experience. Failure to do this will lead to misunderstandings and expectations from businesses that try to apply RL philosophies to SL communities.
    The other threat is less RL work for SL developers employed by corporates to create their sims as LL offers them a cakewalk into VR.
    If it comes too easy for them, their demands and hunger for more resources will echo the RL reality that big business rules the world – not governments and principals.
    The rich get richer and the poor get the picture! I’m hoping Windlight makes it as clear a picture as possible 😉
    Noise annoys!

  63. Chester Taggart says:

    Honestly, if LL announced a free cure for the common cold, fifty or so SL residents would post critical comments about it.
    There is an easier solution if you don’t like what LL is doing… go elsewhere. I’m sure there are lots of other online environments that are begging for a bunch of whiners to distract them.
    LL is doing the right thing, and it will end up being good for them and the SL residents. I (and others) may disagree with technology choices they have made, but I believe commercial expansion can only help all concerned.
    Flame me all you want (I wont be checking back to see your perls of wisdom) but you would do better to wait and see what happens before criticising.
    My two and a half cents worth…

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  65. PonygirlSarah Clapper says:

    Here are my 2 cents.

    The current plan of verification go above and beyond what EVERY adult oriedted site asks of visitors. While no one is above protecting minors, MINORS have their own grid platform to use. Why should MATURE adults be required now to provide ALL the information needed to commit ID Thieft or set us up for Direct Mailings?

    The answer is, LL wants to set us up for the corporations who are coming in. They want to be able to sell our names and all our information, so the companies can solicit buisness from us.

    And, wow, a seperate grid? HAHA! there has been 2 grids already. Now, were being used to market to big buisness and educators. Why would we want them on the main grid, esp school groups and known places where minors are going to be? That’s just asking for trouble.

    Gird preformance has been terrible already, in the 14 months ive been here. It has also gotten worse, with the voice services which no one seems to use (besides the Lindens). Also, what happened to customer service for conceirge users? Going to the conceierge island, and the only repsonces i get are silence, or “i don’t know” or “I have to go help someone else”. Is it now become a case of the more $ spent, the better the service? I’ve got $6000 invested in 2 sims and the content on those sims, and I can’t get a decent responce from anyone at LL.

    I hope the target markets can see the blogs and take the time to read them, because there are a lot of upset customers and users already. Hopefully that will clue in the big bucks to stay away.

    If you want to help fight verification, there are a number of groups in-world to be counted. Please join up, and let LL know, we will not be verifiying.

  66. Astarte says:

    It is a sell out, They have milked the general public, now lets do it to the corporations, just wait now for all the advertising hordings going up for major RL brands, and you think the adfarms alone were just an eyesore.

    #24 – that was why the ceo of LL got replaced and now hides completely in the dark shadows, He’s here because it must go commercial, that’s why the grid itself is going donhill performance wise.

    #28 – Well over the last few weeks the Alpha and Beta testers have voiced there opinion that the grid now sucks as performance goes, so LL have to find another avenue to expand.

    And don’t hope that the multi-million dollar input from companies will improve things, It just means they are buying in to this media fad, that some already there have realised is not cost effective, So wait for more adverse media reaction as those same executives who LL have wooed realise and start creating all holy hell, oh but they will be able to access customer service 24/7. (which they conveniently pulled back off the normal residents) that may delay the inevitable.

    If you want to get corporate…make sure the grid is stable first and can sustain this growth, instead of heading for meltdown. Just look at your figures. Premiums down, Time for grid being unplayable, (when is that going to appear in your stats), especially during August and September so far has been 50%, And crash levels of 25%. You call that ready for commercial ?????????????

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  68. Ann Otoole says:

    I would love to see SL handle a million concurrency!

    And yes it is more and more obvious the people that made SL what it is today are to be cast aside like chaff so only big companies are allowed to be in business in SL.

    And yes LL has no empathy for those that they toss off after encouraging them to make LL what it is today. Pretty common in American business really. Walmart moves in like a cancerous tumor, kills off the economy, everyone has a choice. work for Walmart or leave. In some areas the population actually has a spine and leaves and Walmart closes leaving blight in it’s wake. but Walmart now has so much power nobody has a chance of stopping them.

    Cheap Chinese C@#p For Everyone (and let it harm our children)

    Oh well no amount of writing in a blog ever caused anything to change now did it?

    How about making the client respect IP rights?
    I.e;
    Make the client entirely message based thus making it possible to: pass back critical object information only if you are the object creator.
    Disallow any possibility of setting next owner permissions on any object you didn’t create.
    Disallow viewing the texture UUID for textures on objects you didnt create.

    I could go on and on. But making the client completely message based moves the security of client actions server side which then makes open source clients safe. Publishing the calls will make skinnable clients a possibility.

    Time to bring SL out of the virtual Neanderthal Age and make it a viable product.

    In addition it is time to begin enforcing US trade related legislation to prevent foreign companies from destroying the economy with mass manufactured by cheap labor products dumped in SL for almost zero L$ in an attempt to drive the US content creators out of SL.

  69. Keera Woyseck says:

    What about all of us who pay LL HUGE teir fees, and bust out butts everyday providing goods and services.. building and maintaining SL’s ecomony. You Offer pricing discounts to corporations, non-profit, Universities, etc. I have non profit land.. Again.. what about us “nobodys”

  70. Hoe about getting the bugs fixed. People are getting ccrasghing getting logged off numerous times everyday now!!!!!

  71. Broccoli Curry says:

    Ann.. “In addition it is time to begin enforcing US trade related legislation to prevent foreign companies from destroying the economy with mass manufactured by cheap labor products dumped in SL for almost zero L$ in an attempt to drive the US content creators out of SL.”

    Um… SL is an international game. Always has been. US players are in the minority here – over 70% of the player base is non US. What you are saying is completely wrong – how about UK based content creators, for example? Your ‘trade legislation’ has absolutely no bearing on Second Life.

  72. Ann Otoole says:

    Sorry Brocc. YOU are wrong. LL is a US based company and US laws apply first. When the regions are moved into other countries then the laws where THOSE regions are hosted will apply. And guess what? this is the plan and reasoning as stated by Mr. Rosedale in public. So until the region hosts are out of the US the US laws apply.

    What will be interesting is to see how they set it up so you have to have a visa to visit a region hosted in a different country. and while there you will have to abide by that country’s laws.

  73. Decker Burt says:

    Soooo, do you guys honestly think that professional companies will put up with SL’s lackluster performance and just throw money at it while the grid becomes even more unstable? I doubt, at least I hope, that the CEO’s of other companies aren’t naive enough to believe that this would be an intelligent move for them. LL needs to create a sound and fully functioning program that works up to specifications (Not something that continually crashes) before going ahead with this.

    LL’s CEO really needs to think things through because sooner or later he is going to make an extraordinarily bad call that could financially cripple LL.

  74. Mo Hax says:

    After reading through that web site I see nothing that separates it from a glorified, special ‘sign up your company’ (instead of just your avatar) site. Am I missing something? The company still ends up on OUR grid, right?

    The marketing hype about the tools and services does not seem consistent with what I am hearing companies say. In fact, although I prefer second life personally for its creativity and vision, I have been surprised to see some very big, very influential companies are courting other virtual worlds such as ActiveWorlds–not because of superior platform, technology, culture or any of the things we lowly residents stick around for despite the downsides, but almost entirely because Linden is, well, putting them off by not allowing them a bigger piece of the pie and influence.

    And another thing, at first I assumed this post had something to do with allowing companies to create and support their own grids on their own networks behind their own firewalls for intranet-like internal corporate virtual worlds. But no, this has nothing to do with that. I would think Linden would want to attract that quickly-heating business interest which is the very reason big companies are courting Active Worlds and other virtual worlds that allow such.

    Oh, I just have to say. For those of us creating for the enjoyment of collaborative creativity and sharing in SL for free, seeing our hardwork pimped to companies as a reason to buy Linden Labs products is, well, as bad as inworlders who repack our work as freebies and sell it or put it into businesses-in-box. Very off-putting. Especially when problems plague those wishing to create and sell to the SL wholesale market. I for one threw my hands up in frustration because the permissions model does not support those targeting the SL wholesale market allowing tools and widgets to be created safely for use by others who create items for retail use. Just ask animators how tough their lives are, having everything they spent hours on ripped from faulty products–and we are not talking about textures here that can’t be protected because of the tech. Animations and scripts actually could be protected with a “User After Next User Can Copy/Trans/Mod.”

    Linden Labs, I suggest you be very careful in this approach lest you seriously lose a lot of good people, I have already seen many quality people and developers leave SL.

  75. Broccoli Curry says:

    No Ann, you are wrong. As a UK based small time content creator I take great offense in your implication that somehow I should “not be allowed” to sell things and make money in “your” game.

    That is the most important point here. Forget your silly ‘trade laws’; if they were relevant then SL wouldn’t have gone international in the first place.

    America does not rule the world, real or virtual.

  76. Hewitt Huet says:

    There seems to be no point to getting large corps in SL. What can they do here? We come to escape RL and now its foisted upon us.

    Question: Does this fanfare include or service MY corp?
    Answer: No. My (RL!!!) corp operates in LL exclusively now, and sad to say its concern is bulding and scripting and selling stuff – ooooo, sorry go to slx for that, Mr. Huet, thats such a RESIDENT activity…. we want Coca Cola, Dell and IBM in a world where no one drinks or eats and OBVIOUSLY everyone has a computer already.

    Either LL are blinded by greed or are forgetting how quickly the boom/bust cycle occurs on the internet. :\

  77. Disgusted Citizen says:

    Fix Bare Rose. Telling someone the server their sim is on is broken and yet refusing to do a da** thing to fix matters is not the way to improve LL’s service reputation.

    Treating your current customers well will go a lot further than any glitzy new website. If you want to help us create successful virtual world experiences, start with what you’ve got now.

  78. Billzebub Zenovka says:

    @53-56

    If SL is such an International Game, why do the Lindens cave to US legislative pressures? Why the gambling ban? Because they are a US based company. And if they are going to enforce US gambling restrictions then they should also enforce US trade policy as well. Or they can accept that the game is far more than the US and go with accepted International Law…..

    But we all know that the laws enforced will be whichever ones are in the interest of LL making money and not losing it in lawsuits…..

  79. Chrysala Desideri says:

    So it’s all one blind, bludgeoning, bloody-minded plan.. IDV, Voice etc… shinies for the corporate cows.

    You do realize that they’re not cows, but vultures, right? The milk came from us, those bozos will just pick your bones.

    I’ve been to Sony, IBM, italian Telecom sims… regular residents that make and sell content have better sims. Their motivation and dedication to thier own content is far greater and brings far greater results than corporate passing interest in in a cute but limited publicity platform

    (this may be counter -intuitive for those reasoning in the corporate tunnel-reality, but that’s how it works. one person can and usually does outdo a megacorp in this arena)

    We are the ghost in the machine. Corporations will be shells within the shell. They don’t “believe in a revolutionary new platform” or “invest in creativity”… they just make mechanical calcultions on investment/profit, the proverbial mindless, eating, behemoth.

    “…but you don’t realy love me, you just keep me hangin’ on…..”

    The Idea that spawned SL isn’t all that compatible with the corporate tunnel-reality, as the reactions to most of LL’s last moves clearly demonstrate.

    Don’t bet SL’s future on them. Please…

    93/93

  80. Lucian Halasy says:

    taken from secondlifegrid.net:

    “When Montana State University-Bozeman needed the ultimate tool for remote communication and collaboration – they turned to the Second Life Grid. When MSU needd a virtual 3-D platform to design real-life sustainable communities – only the Second Life Grid had the flexible new techologies and ROCK SOLID INFRASTRUCTURE they required.”

    rock solid? ha… haha.. hahahaha…… mwhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  81. The XO says:

    Oh great, here we go… more corporate boll**ks!!!!

    This is simply another sign of LL moving away from it’s residents and leaving them high and dry. They used our money to build things up to date, now they have what they want – a platform, the residents can be cast aside to cater for “big bussiness”.

    All hands abandon grid, all hands abandon grid, this is not a drill!

    @Broccoli Curry #56:

    Here here Broc! Couldn’t agree more!

    @Ann Otoole #55:

    Visas?!?! To visit SIMS in different countries?? I’m just not going to go into that one because it’s sooooo far off target it’s totally insane. It’s international and a combination of US, the residents country and international laws apply – that much has been made clear lately by the “keeping SL safe” fiasco!

    Besides Ann… aren’t you usually shouting about how incompetant LL are and how you could do better? I see you’re still not a Linden, but keep trying huh! :-p

    Personally RL should stay out of SL as much as possible, and the self serving lawyers and “experts” that bring it in for their own benefit are nothing more than cheap con men running a scam! Shame on you!

  82. Mameha Brown says:

    What is the grid website? its a flashy how to for the people who have always done SL so that they wont get here and feel so stupid.

    The reason why they made this is because the “residents” can see through these weekenders, and we arent impressed but they want a cheat code
    so they dump a grand in the game and hire somebody to build them a pretty attraction but forget to have someone script the tumbleweed that will be the only traffic it gets.

    SL has to do this because before every new buisness platform goes live it needs something to tell the stone stupid+rich how to operate it.

    We all knew that we were beta testers, and that we cant be bought but we should remember that it still makes corprate types mad.

  83. Don Mill says:

    I might be a little naive but i do believe that by offering the grid (as in technology) to corporate clients, LL will have to improve it to cover all the new customers needs. That, in time, will lead to a more stable SL.

    Of course, the SLers will still be the beta testers of whatever LL comes with, but since we are enjoying the little we have, anything better is always an improvement. 🙂

  84. GoogleMama says:

    @58 Lucian – “Rock Solid”

    But of course the SL grid is rock solid…. just like the San Andreas Fault! LOL

    Soooo… I guess we can say for a certainty now that anyone still pumping their money in to SL is well and truly identified as a complete idiot…

    Sheep, meet Wolves…. Wolves, sheep meat…

  85. Scar Statosky says:

    ***holds his hands up, eyes watching the pesky fly buzz around his head. ***SPLAT !!

    Moves his attention back to the conversation. What was that about catching more flies?

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  87. Haden Cazalet says:

    So!… Basically in laymans terms:-

    When you sign up for Secondlife you go to the pearly gates and the coperates go to heaven and the residents go to hell?

  88. Revons Rutabaga says:

    @18 Joker “What ever happened to the stable team that took time to answer their instant messages, not just shove us off to some web portal. What happened to that team that actually HELPED YOU IN WORLD.”

    I don’t know maybe the fact that theres more people than the staff can handle. Maybe its the fact that everyone goes to tickets because IMs come in so fast you can’t read them. See Frontier Linden’s website http://frontierlinden.com/bad_dream/index.php and you too will know why it can’t be done anymore. The amount of people needed to be hired to keep up demand is so great linden would be losing money. A company is in business to make money not break even let alone loose money.

  89. Cat Gisel says:

    Ooh can we go there instead of the current Grid?

  90. Congratulations, but what good will that do if they cannot log in or cannot purchase Lindens? I understand parallel development too well and know you are working on release schedules, but it would be nice to have the basics in SL solved ASAP. Not being able to log in, or purchase lindens…or loose items in your inventory is for sure going to convince those corporations to join the grid.

  91. Sean Petit says:

    I’m constantly amazed by the misplaced sense of entitlement that many residents express on these forums. “How dare LL do this or that without my express permission!”

    I’ll clear it up for you: Linden Labs is a privately held company who owns and operates the Second Life code and server platform. While we may be customers, and good companies listen to their customer base, neither your free account, annual membership or even land tier make you a major contributing stockholder in LL, let alone a member of their executive board.

    You pay for the privilege of using THEIR software on THEIR servers. I don’t understand why people get offended when they recognize this fundamental reality which is clearly stated from the moment you signed up.

    This was ALWAYS a business, never a democracy. Get over yourselves.

  92. Jenny Carlos says:

    Im really not worried about it, Ive seen technology and what is in for us with computers in the very near future, SL is fumes.
    That will soon drift into the “Norm” of 3d online games.
    They can add in more bugged features all they want but there are always going to be bigger and better things comeing in the future for PCs. I didnt spend 3 grand on a new Gamer tower for nothing :).
    Hurry up and release that new 3d Online Platform so I can start a new business there :).
    Chears and hope to see everyone in game while its around lol.
    Jenny

  93. Amanda Ascot says:

    Ann @55:I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating, here. The idea is not to have servers in different countries where content there is restricted by the laws of those countries. There will be *one* SL bound by the laws of *all* countries in which there are servers. Linden Lab has made this quite clear.

    Cocoanut @11: A bit overstated, but I think you touched on most of the salient points. Nice work!

    Now my two cents worth, and I’ll be nice, seeing as how my last controversial post got censored. This is really nothing new. As has been pointed out, already, all the pieces and parts have been place for some time, now. This is just an attempt to bring it all together and organize it. The recent moves against “objectionable” content and behavior, as I pointed out a long time ago, both here in the blog and in my newsletter, are not an attempt to protect minors, but an attempt to sanitize Second Life. Why? It’s all about the desire to attract large businesses and organizations and to facilitate Grid Globalization (not a trademarked term — please feel to use it any way you like). Linden Lab is afraid they won’t be able to attract educational and corporate customers if those customers have the feeling that someone is doing the nasty in a neighboring sim, and they’re afraid other countries won’t let them put servers there if they don’t agree to saddle us with the laws of those countries.

    I think attracting educational and corporate interests are a Good Thing. This will pump money into the system which, hopefully, will be used to improve the system. Most of these interests will have their own private islands, though. The things we do, make, and display on the rest of the Grid *shouldn’t* have any bearing on their decisions to come here, but they do. I think putting servers in other countries is a Bad Thing. This will have only one positive effect. It will, eventually, make the Grid suitable for children to come here and play. But, wait, we have the Teen Grid for that already, don’t we? Hmmm … maybe not so positive, after all.

    I, too, am concerned that there is an apparent move away from the needs of the common residents and a catering to the Big Three (educational institutions, corporations, foreign countries). Second Life can accommodate all of these without leaving the rest of us behind. I think it’s admirable that an attempt is being made to see to the needs of non-English speakers. I’ve personally dealt with people whose native languages were Italian, French, German, Dutch, Chinese, and Russian. I only understand a little of some of these, but, with difficulty, I managed. Having portals for non-English speaking users is, as I see it, the major positive thing than can come from SecondLifeGrid.net concept. However, what I see on the new website is mostly just a glitzier version of the Second Life website, aimed at attracting organizations who have the resources to invest more in Linden Lab than those of use with ordinary jobs can manage.

    The problem I see, here, is that this announcement could not have come at a worse time. The residents are in a furor about Identity Verification. The Grid is going to Hell in a handbasket. Support for the unwashed masses (non-premium users) is almost non-existent. People are begging for bugs to fixed and we get candy, instead. This is the *appearance* presented to us. Linden Lab has a severe image problem, but seems to be trying to use cosmetic cover-ups to hide the blemishes, even though there *is* real work going on behind the scenes. How many of these educational and commercial users will hang around when they discover they can’t make effective use of their own sims because of Gridlag or, worse, that a rolling restart scrambled their terraforming efforts, as happened to me awhile back? Furthermore, attracting a large new influx of people into Second Life, when the scalability of the system is shaky, at best, is also a mistake. Maybe it’s scalable in theory, but in practice the quality of the experience in-world has degraded dramatically in the last several months. This is *not* a good time to push for immigration.

  94. Binkse Wolfhaven says:

    Sounds like the first steps toward commercializing the game to me. I just hope a free program actually /stays/ free this time…

  95. Jopsy Pendragon says:

    Shame it wasn’t called “SecondLifeGateways” or “SecondLifePortals” or something that indicates it focuses on allowing special interest groups to establish their own entry-point into “our” grid.

    But anyway… it sounds like a nifty side service. There are too many complaints about the existing gateways/portals/welcome-islands in SL, this will certainly help improve (or at least alter) a great many new residents first impressions of SecondLife.

    Good Luck!

  96. JZ Paine says:

    Me, not worried! All I see is adding of more grids (ie, teen grid) they may or may not have access to the main grid. So let LL bring them on.

    If only some have been around in 2004 when this all started they would not probebly be complaining. If you are just think back on what it was then and what it is now. We have come a long way baby! Relax folks and just enjoy SL will ya!

  97. Shockwave Yareach says:

    I don’t see what everyone is worried about. This is nothing but Corporate Speak in the ancient Tongue of Weasel to try and keep the companies from leaving SL in droves. It’s wordplay to seperate “the Grid” from…

    – design that holds multiple points of failure
    – poor customer service
    – abyssmal reliability, particulary for the information age
    – a population which came to SL largely to get away from these same companies
    – poor awareness by the population of companys’ sims when they build some

    It’ll take a lot more than nice words and renaming the product to prevent the mass exodus of corporate America from SL/the grid/VRspace/$NAME. If LL wants to become the ground for the next web, they must a) make their product stable, b) make it distributed so there are NO single points of failure anywhere in the architecture, c) make it so troublemakers cannot crash sims or otherwise hassle areas, d) split SL into Old and New worlds, keeping the old world and members as is and forcing all new members to the New PG/Corporate world unless they adult verify (thus ending the harrassment of the existing paying customers while creating a companyFriendly area in SL for Coke and WellsFargo.) If LL wants to keep all its paying clients, it needs to fix its product. Simple as that.

  98. Nichael Kolache says:

    I am not sure if i have this right but i am going to try and explain what i think is happening….

    The virtual world platform used by linden labs is being made available to businesses to create their own ‘worlds’ with specific content concerning their business. The content may include such things as new product introduction, basic company training, inner company announcements, employee interaction, etc. i can see linden labs selling virtual world platforms and using Second Life to show the possibilities. This also helps explain (to me) the viewer going open source. ‘Dell World’ or ‘CNN World’ can have their own viewer to access their own virtual world based on linden labs virtual world platform and in most cases hosted by linden labs on separate servers. i can see portals to ‘out of this world’ grids coming soon. which brings me to the idea that linden labs may be behind the ad farms with intent on using these little 16sqm plots to plop portals to ‘Dell World’ and ‘CNN World’. i can also see this as a huge income opportunity. As far as second life grid goes, ‘we’ will remain the test bed for the features to be offered to the business worlds. Some will comment on the fact that there are so many problems with the second life grid how could it ever be used to sell the idea. imagine how many people will actually be in one of those ‘private’ worlds and any given time… far less than ‘our’ grid. that means there will be far less problems, as there is when ‘we’ don’t have over 30,000 peeps logged in.

    All i can say, i am going to try and capture some of the content creation business that will be cropping up. businesses will be looking for experienced builders to make their virtual world better than the jones’.

  99. Vivienne says:

    Nice move.

    But as long as the client renders only an average of 7 fps in a crowded area (on a high end system !) – what sense will it make for any company or corporation to throw in the bucks?

    Huh?

  100. Michael Kolache says:

    I am not sure if i have this right but i am going to try and explain what i think is happening….

    The virtual world platform used by linden labs is being made available to businesses to create their own ‘worlds’ with specific content concerning their business. The content may include such things as new product introduction, basic company training, inner company announcements, employee interaction, etc. i can see linden labs selling virtual world platforms and using Second Life to show the possibilities. This also helps explain (to me) the viewer going open source. ‘Dell World’ or ‘CNN World’ can have their own viewer to access their own virtual world based on linden labs virtual world platform and in most cases hosted by linden labs on separate servers. i can see portals to ‘out of this world’ grids coming soon. which brings me to the idea that linden labs may be behind the ad farms with intent on using these little 16sqm plots to plop portals to ‘Dell World’ and ‘CNN World’. i can also see this as a huge income opportunity. As far as second life grid goes, ‘we’ will remain the test bed for the features to be offered to the business worlds. Some will comment on the fact that there are so many problems with the second life grid how could it ever be used to sell the idea. imagine how many people will actually be in one of those ‘private’ worlds and any given time… far less than ‘our’ grid. that means there will be far less problems, as there is when ‘we’ don’t have over 30,000 peeps logged in.

    All i can say, i am going to try and capture some of the content creation business that will be cropping up. businesses will be looking for experienced builders to make their virtual world better than the jones’.

  101. U M says:

    Why in the world are people TRY to talk about law in thise issue? come on get real here. Big words, and phases don`t hold any more quility information. Facts are Big business is now the game here, we don`t count anymore.

  102. Sean Petit says:

    @64 “People are begging for bugs to fixed and we get candy, instead.”

    Apparently you and the majority of posters on this forum haven’t been reading the release notes in the last few client releases, or the current Candidate Release, or the Linden blogs in general. They are OVERWHELMINGLY bug fix related, and LL has affirmed that bug fixes are the primary goal for the foreseeable future.

    Perhaps you merely meant the bugs that YOU are personally vexed about.

  103. mimi says:

    “The problem I see, here, is that this announcement could not have come at a worse time. The residents are in a furor about Identity Verification. The Grid is going to Hell in a handbasket. Support for the unwashed masses (non-premium users) is almost non-existent. People are begging for bugs to fixed and we get candy, instead. This is the *appearance* presented to us. Linden Lab has a severe image problem, but seems to be trying to use cosmetic cover-ups to hide the blemishes, even though there *is* real work going on behind the scenes. How many of these educational and commercial users will hang around when they discover they can’t make effective use of their own sims because of Gridlag or, worse, that a rolling restart scrambled their terraforming efforts, as happened to me awhile back? Furthermore, attracting a large new influx of people into Second Life, when the scalability of the system is shaky, at best, is also a mistake. Maybe it’s scalable in theory, but in practice the quality of the experience in-world has degraded dramatically in the last several months. This is *not* a good time to push for immigration.”

    I could not have said this better.. i so much agree
    In my shop, club, at many times it is not even possible to walk… if someone sarting a business would see that, it would present a very bad image of SL to them. The grid works very badly at the moment!

  104. Beast Mauvaise says:

    Oh, dear…

    I’ve been online about twelve years now – not as long as some, but longer than most. And as time has passed, I’ve watched Korporate Culture and it’s nineteenth-century models continually try to reshape the Net into an image that has absolutely no relevance to the twenty-first century world the rest of us live in. I know SL wouldn’t be exempt – after all, companies like GM already had a presense here when I joined 366 days ago – but this new move gives me some cause for concern. It will be worth watching.

    @ dandellion: I agree totally ‘The Grid’ IS synonymous with ‘SL’ amongst the residents – you know, the people who ‘imagined and created’ this world. I knew that and used it as a humourous hook for my ‘Flat Grid Society’ group in-world. 😉 I understand LL’s reasons for using the term their way, but I doubt the residents will give up its use just because the Lindens have a corporate use for it.

    I guess we’ll see, ne?

    Oh, and an unrelated topic that have come up here: I have no idea what everyone is complaining about anent the current client software. I’m using it on a machine that _according to LL_ shouldn’t be able to run it at all, and I’ve found that the current build is the best in months. Any problems I’ve had have been solely due to server load – and they’ve still not been as bad as they were back in December, when the Grid (ha!) was a tenth this size. Maybe if LL open-sources the server code, or makes it commercially available, we might see some real improvement there. Always wanted my own sim in my own office…

  105. U M says:

    “I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating, here. The idea is not to have servers in different countries where content there is restricted by the laws of those countries. There will be *one* SL bound by the laws of *all* countries in which there are servers. Linden Lab has made this quite clear.”

    Well this has yet to be seen. LL is always side stepping issues and or laws. Servers in different countries don`t not mean they can get around the laws. Mind you, is the people accessing the information in a country where its not allowed. The person accessing the data is breaking their own laws. But also the company providing the service can still be liable.

  106. i can “be leveraged” now? is that some sort of new binding technique?

    i’ll still call logging into SL “the grid.” as in, “see you on the grid!” or “things on the grid are slow today.”

  107. BrightAngel Summers says:

    omgim shocked , your missing the point , listen up , secondlife.com and secondlife.net are seperate …in other words .com is going to be abondoned by LL and work solely on .net leaving us without a paddle up a creek …. ..yes to market the world with .net instead of .com forcing us out and into *family friendly * grid …in other words all *pg 14* all around grid. “I say CEO Resign ” I love my private RL life !

  108. U M says:

    nobody is missing the point. we know its two different things. But In the long run the common users wil be the ones that lose out.

  109. Vivienne says:

    @68

    No, I do not think LL wants to make this a business platform. Without people no business. Very simple. No corporation will ever go SL for any other more or less serious reason but image. The hardware demands of SL are much too high for any broader internal company usage, anyway. And even the best hardware does not help compensating all the terrible flaws in LL software, which they missed to fix over the years in favor of hype fueled monster growth.

    Anyway, i like the idea of getting serious business in, be it for image only. It will help LL employing some capable, cold and untouched IT craftsmen improving the software for the benefit of all of us. But they must improve client and serversoftware radically or they will get drowned for filing to match their promises. Business is by far not that patient as we residents are.

    But – SL as a business or education platform is only a dream.

  110. Blake Dwi says:

    Ii thought the L$ had no real cash value?

    “International Microcurrency System
    The Linden Dollar (L$) is the unit of trade across the Second Life Grid – and it’s traded every day for real-world money. At an exchange rate of about 250-300 Linden Dollars to one U.S. Dollar, this effectively enables micropayment for virtual goods and services universally traded on the Second Life Grid, the Linden Dollar is an internationally accepted medium of trade.”

    this is at the official LL Secondlifegrid.net set

  111. Not necessarily a bad idea in and of itself, but terribly misleading terminology: it is not clear whether we are all supposed to use the word “grid” in a radically new way to the way in which it has been used before, and why, if such a radical new concept is needed, it has to re-use an existing word with a similar meaning, rather than have a whole new word.

    Indeed, it would seem as if the words have been got entirely backwards: surely SecondLife is the platform, and the Grid is the particular network of systems using the SecondLife platform.

  112. Amanda Ascot says:

    Sean @70: Please do not take my comments out of context and try to make it seem like I said something I did not. I immediately followed the comment you quoted with: “This is the *appearance* presented to us. Linden Lab has a severe image problem, but seems to be trying to use cosmetic cover-ups to hide the blemishes, even though there *is* real work going on behind the scenes.”

  113. Bucky Barkley says:

    I’m trying to make sense of the logo. Is it an open door, or a part of the grid that is broken?

  114. U M says:

    Is that a logo?I thought a 1st year university student made it for 101 design class?

  115. Ketter McAllister says:

    Are you breaking up with us, Second Life?

  116. Athena Whizenhunt says:

    I have been in SL for almost a year now and have watched different aspects of the grid degrade in small intervals. I am also aware that Linden uses certain leeway at times with avatars and sims ( I had an april fools joke played on my avatar by LL for instance). It means I have seen Linden Labs shwo preference in actual sim performance, some very popular places seem to have odd glitches that never appear in more “favorable” sims and crash more often. I know this is true.
    I have a feeling as “regular users we will slowly be overcome by odd glitches and bugs and other difficulties that “coorporations never encounter. I also believe that coorporations will be allowed different rules and content for the areas they choose and we will become ever more restricted by interpretations of the TOS.
    Just 1 question in all this, if coorporations come in (and I have seen a few) why will they get more favorable support and treatment when they already have the ability to import works from large technical branches of their operations already?
    Some of the coorporations you will be giving a greater range of technical assistance to designed the equipment you use to make the grid.It sure would be nice to have greater range of technical assistance to those of us that have enough to buy a small place and wish to expand ourselves as businesses side by side with the coorporate giants, it has always been my belief that innovations in technology start with the little guy, not the big cumbersome coorporate world, Linden Labs for example was a little friendly operation when I came in-it wasn’t a coorporate giant that created this world-now that the big guns are moving in so are the idiotic TOS restrictions-remember where you came from Linden Labs, because even the coorporations need us to keep this place going-no residents like me means no business for them, you jave already made some obvious mistakes by enforcing TOS interpretations, people have left-don’t make this mistake with a coorporate approach, most coorporations already in SL do not have the savvy to generate even marginal traffic, but us “little folk” seem to know what people really want here- and it certainly isn’t Ronald McDonald.

  117. janeforyou Barbara says:

    I am glad that SL separate private users and company and org users in 2 girds, its is 2 girsds? isent it? I guess IBM- NBC-BMW- and all the other move to it?

    Do we get a faster and better private users gird? Or did i get all this wrong?

  118. Darien Caldwell says:

    No, there is only one grid, physically. But there will be two virtual classes. Large Corporations who LL will listen to, and the rest of us.. :p

  119. Athena Whizenhunt says:

    It looks as though my other blog might get censored-imagine that!

  120. U M says:

    IBM? Oh yes there are islands named after then.

  121. catherinelinden says:

    Hi everyone and thanks for your comments.

    I want to assure you Linden Lab is completely focused on Second Life – Philip has made that clear. We are not diverting engineering resources from Second Life but instead are making it easier for organizations to get information about how to create great experiences in-world. Much of this information was on the SecondLife.com website under businesses and education.

  122. Anylyn Hax says:

    Da kann jemand das Mund nid voll bekommen. Das ist so als wuerden die Armeen dieser Welt beginnen Doom zu spielen.

    Abartig die Amis!

  123. NiteZelmanov says:

    Maybe we could get a linden perspective here (Catherine?) Does this announcement MEAN anything for us? Is something happening here, or is this just a more corporate friendly webpage to introduce corporate customers to SL as a platform?

    Is anything changing? Is there a split between two grids, is there some new technology, etc. There’s great confusion here about whether this is an announcement with meaning or just repackaging of old content onto a flashy new web page.

  124. Caleb Francis says:

    oh how interesting

  125. Valerie Seaton says:

    Die amerikanische Armee hat ihren eigenen Ego-Shooter, wußtest du das nicht?

  126. Cat Cotton says:

    To # 11 Cocoanut Koala:

    You got that right.

    I have some serious concerns LL.

    1) Why split the grid now?

  127. Mercia McMahon says:

    Nothing wrong with getting more corporate involvement. Linux came on leaps and bounds once IBM got involved. If it gives LL a stable business environment then they have more ability to create a stable in-world environment, e.g., by finally upgrading the servers on Old Mainland.

  128. I am censored says:

    If we, the users, are not a part of *the grid* any more, there must be a way to let us keep RL and SL parted, right?

    Think of it… *SECOND* life…
    That means something… Not first-life-3D-extension.

    Is it a game, or is it a real world extension, maybe time to get that clear?
    Many users seems to want it to be a game, *LL* seems to want it a RL extension…

    I think they loose customer base not listening more carefully to us users.

    And as said ealier… The US isn’t the worlds rulers.

    Nice to value free expression, when at the same time make it hard to post critical comments… Hmmm? What free expressions? Smells dict….

  129. I am censored says:

    they censure the free expressions here…

  130. Nasus Dumart says:

    I agree with Chester Taggart,Sean Petit and Amanda Ascot. In addition to their well written comments, lets remember that ‘Second Life’ is a radically different kind of internet experience that we all can benefit from. The idea of a viable virtual world has been established by the first 5 million residents. We have been participating in the dawn of a new era in global communication. As SL evolves, LL can take it to the next level. SL businesses and educators are enthusiastic about joining SL, and they should be. They have a promising future, thanks to the early resident developers and supporters. There is pride in the accomplishments thus far. The grid will boost the overall economy and enhance the reseident life. Lets not be so quick to complain, shall we?

  131. Russell Hagoromo says:

    When i worked for a small dialup ISP in Texas, the owner did the same thing..He pushed how “pretty” his ISP was,but the poor suckers who paid for the service and the poor saps who worked the phones listening to the saps who paid, knew the real story..today, that company is defunct, sold to PeoplePc..I hope LL doesnt go down that path

  132. Elle Pollack says:

    @Amanda: You are right in at least one respect: LL’s performance on the communication front has not been stelar for a long time; there are efforts here and there but it never seems to be enough. The flood of market speak that has crept into the vocabulary over the last year or so hasn’t helped either; abolishing the market-eese for honest English would be a good first step.

  133. pantaiputih korobase says:

    I am always quite amazed why the contenc of Linden’s messages is often interpreted in so many different ways…..
    Anyway, what good is SL for if ne can not log into which grid ever like just now again…
    kr

  134. Blake Dwi says:

    all my postings get rejected..

  135. Cat Cotton says:

    I would like to personally thank LL for giving me the ability to avoid corporate America on the grid I choose to be on 😀

    Well done!

    Cat

  136. Rebecca Eponym says:

    With all of your corporate sponsorship, that should drive the Ls down in value.. may not be so bad at first, but this is terrible on the SLEconomy…

  137. Tanner says:

    This seems right on par with Anshe Chung’s recent takeover of Slexchange.com and her subsequent special 10L furniture category, which effectively knocked out all furniture creators(for a start) on that site and in SL. Here, http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=22452&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135, she lays out her future plans to control the SL economy.

    Are we to expect more of this with big business coming in? Hellooooo Walmart!!!

  138. well…

    not a bad idea to see the business user as well..

    no enable voice to pass business firewalls, would be a good deal.

    cheers
    Ralf

  139. aroehrl says:

    chatted to the great concierge service yesterday… a linden said he be there “just gotta clean up here”… guess what, still waiting for him lol.

    Apart form that, for business this new website is good. Sure the oldschool residents are put off by it and yeah of course you are cause “you build the grid” or what is on it and available. but what you see on the new site is plain business english.. dont worry about it.

  140. notagambler says:

    “””””which effectively knocked out all furniture creators(for a start)””””

    After a few weeks in SL each will be able, to create their own stuff and houses etc. there is no possibility anymore to ear money with sl, because there isnt enough money at the newbies

    greetz

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