Día de la Liberación

The day of liberation is almost upon us. In the next release, 1.18, we’ll be shipping a project called “Message Liberation”. This project lets us make almost all viewer updates be optional, so you can download them if and when you want.

Second Life has a “message system”, which is the code that moves information between the viewer and the simulators (servers). The message system has a file, called the template, that describes the format and encoding of the information. In the past, when that template changed, even a tiny bit, all the programs in the system had to be updated to use it and restarted. This meant that if someone added a feature or fixed a bug, you needed to download a new viewer, even if it didn’t affect you.

When the message system is “liberated” from the template, it will be possible for most changes to be backward and forward compatible with different versions of the software. This means that you don’t need to download a new viewer every time. If you just want to pop in-world, and don’t need the latest features just this moment, you can skip the download dialog and proceed in-world. Of course, you won’t get the new feature or fix until you do download the new version, but it’ll be your choice when you want to do so.

This change also means that we can do many more kinds of changes using the rolling update method, rather than having to bring the whole grid down.

Now, to be sure, there are still some kinds of changes where we’ll require you to download a new viewer. Closing security holes is a likely example. And there are others, like some database maintenance, where we’ll have to close the entire grid for an update. But, our aim is to do these as little as possible, and Message Liberation goes a long way to making that possible.

Viva la Liberación!
Viva Second Life!

About Zero Linden

I'm a studio director at Linden Lab. This means that lead a group of engineers in larger projects. I also write a lot of code in almost every language available, but mostly C++ and Python. I'm a big supporter of standards: HTTP, Unicode, XML and REST. I have "template-fu".
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136 Responses to Día de la Liberación

  1. Alyx Sands says:

    Wow, that’s good news- I’ve always HATED mandatory updates!

    *Waiting for the first people here whining about introducing new features and not fixing bugs*

  2. Warda Kawabata says:

    Now this, I like.

  3. JayR Cela says:

    Sounds Wonderful 🙂

  4. Ava Glasgow says:

    Right now, if I refuse an optional upgrade, I have to keep refusing it every single time I log on. This is amazingly annoying.

    Pretty please with sugar on top, add a feature that allows the user to say for a particular version “Don’t want it. Don’t tell me about it again.”

  5. csven says:

    Would it be accurate to say you’re currently working toward complete liberation?

  6. Smiley Barry says:

    Wow! Way to go Lindens! Finally whenever I wanna log-in from location B (You ain’t gettin’ the location, readers :-P) for a sec to use IM, I won’t have to download a new version (It’s always outdated there, no matter what lol) and someone could use 1.20 when 1.30 is out in the future ‘^_^.

    -Smiles.

  7. Sakura Hullabaloo says:

    Very cool 🙂

  8. Lost ares says:

    Well this will cure all the ” everything is broken after the update ” comment’s 🙂

    Sounds great guy’s … Anything that moves us closer to a stable platform is good imo .

    Good luck 🙂

  9. Smiley Barry says:

    And for the (upcoming) whiners:

    Umm, guys, this IS bug fixing!. This will fix alot of delays, will allow better bug fixing for your type of people (lol), and many more.

    So quit yappin’ about issues and don’t hit that “Submit Comment” button, it’s not worth it 😉 You may be now spending a happy noob’s only comment about this! Save every penny…AHEM, comment ‘^_^.

    -Smiley.

  10. Rooke Ayres says:

    Hmmm, since we’re on the topic of optional updates, when is the optional viewer for 1.17.1 going to be made available today?

    The Downloads page still only references 1.17.0.12.

    This is like when the cable guy or the plumber say they’re going to be over sometime in the morning and don’t show up until 6:00pm.

    It’s very annoying… It really steams my cabbage. Having to wait all day for something and having no idea when its going to be available.

    Somebody could at least be courteous enough to update the blog to say it won’t be available until *late* today.

  11. Dirk Talamasca says:

    In the future when new users register for SL, will they be automatically prompted to download the very latest version or will they be give a choice to download an older version?

  12. FD Spark says:

    hmm I don’t know things are difficult enough trying to find things so now I also have to look for current update. If updates are optional, why aren’t the bugs and server issues?

  13. Doris Haller says:

    Ok… I think I understand what you said

    I consider this is a bugfix, not a new feature 😉

    No whining then.

  14. 3Ring Binder says:

    [QUOTE=”LL”]you can skip the download dialog and proceed in-world[/QUOTE]
    sounds like you’ll have to choose if you want to up date or not…… EVERY time you log in.

    [QUOTE=”LL”]This change also means that we can do many more kinds of changes using the rolling update method, rather than having to bring the whole grid down.[/QUOTE]
    YAY! that is never wrong!

    [QUOTE=”LL”]there are still some kinds of changes where we’ll require you to download a new viewer.[/QUOTE]
    it was nice to dream of TOTAL liberation, if for only a moment. =P

  15. Dorian Cao says:

    Huzzah! Horrah! and Happy Day! This is GREAT! Now I can store a version that I like and try the new one and go back to the old one if the new one drives me nuts! Way to go gang!!!

  16. Oz Spade says:

    Great work guys, can’t wait to see it in action. I imagine this will help in a few other ways too, like reducing load on download servers if not everyone is going to be updating at the same time (well, mostly).

    Could this also be a step toward “patching” rather than whole downloads?

    A double sided coin of this is that in a beneficial way some won’t have to use a new feature if they don’t want to, such as voice, however a negative way is that some may unknowingly miss a feature or when helping someone they might not have the same version. But I’m definitely happy about this regardless. 🙂

  17. Norm Schack says:

    That is great, Will I be able to go back to 1.15 when I was actually able to log onto SL without too much lag and without being booted or crashing every 5 to 15 minutes?

  18. Excellent progress. This will mean less grid downtime, and more time for resis to tend to things that need nurturing. Kudos to you LL…
    Thank you Zero for the 411 🙂

  19. Uvas Umarov says:

    I hope they make it an option inside the client to upgrade, rather than getting that optional upgrade button every time I try to log in.

  20. Tony says:

    I’m not at all sure how well this is going to work. For options such as voice and windlight, great. For certain bug fixes? This is going to take a lot of explaining, I hope you’re ready for the people who want to know why they’ve got a problem and their mate hasn’t.

  21. Iexo Bethune says:

    Sounds like a good idea. Not very shiny, but it will definately make the intigration of new shinies alot quicker and easier for everyone, and will give bug-whiners the ability to stick on this version until their “Bugless Wonder” viewer comes out that the ancient books foretold.

  22. yukikoomegamu says:

    sweet 🙂 but knowing this update probly mean that all the rest from the past wont work -giggles-

  23. Most excellent! Give a premium parking space to whomever came up with this idea. They need to be at work early and often for more great ideas.

  24. Tavis Nico says:

    I am quite pleased with this kind of development! I can see a lot of potential beyond the ability to expand backward and forward compatibility of clients with this kind of protocol refinement, and I think it will make a lot of things easier for the lives of the residents and the LL staff.

    Do you think this might make it possible to allow further customization by using a core client and plugins? A lot of users who aren’t asking for (or may not be able to handle) specific functions such as Voice could benefit from not having to download a one-size-fits-all client that has grown beyond the 30MB mark. Linden Labs could also benefit by not having to support concurrent downloads of this size by the bulk of this active population whenever such an updated client becomes available. A customized client could also benefit from a streamlined interface for its intended use, such as a plain viewer, an instant messenger, a world map surveying system, or far greater avatar control.

  25. Diomedes Nikolaidis says:

    Excellent!

  26. Maxx Mackenzie says:

    Wow! that’s pretty cool 🙂

    BUT! i do have a question, when is the next windlight comming out?

  27. Masuyo Aabye says:

    this is a step in the right direction, maybe LL aren’t as dumb or carefree as we thought

  28. Droopy says:

    auto updater not workin….

  29. JayCee Kamloops says:

    That’s awesome! but the autoupdater is giving out an error now – after downloading 48Kb, it says

    “Error
    The Second Life auto-update has failed.
    The problem may be caused by other software installed on your computer, such as a firewall.”

  30. Lev Kamenev says:

    Looks like somebody got hit by Amazon S3 bill 🙂

  31. Lupercaleb Walcher says:

    hooray!

  32. Pie Psaltery says:

    Question:

    When you say that “it will be possible for most changes to be backward and forward compatible with different versions of the software.” would that make it possible to reinstall the previous version of the viewer AFTER installing the most recent viewer, perhaps in an instance where installing the most recent viewer caused issues for your computer or the way you personally used/experienced SL or will we simply be able to choose WHEN to download a new viewer, as in “after everyone else figured out all the new bugs”?

  33. BrianA says:

    OK, downloaded and installed the update. Getting a lot of crashes now.

  34. Markopolis Balhaus says:

    Very nicely done!

  35. Manjagan Rahja says:

    Very very cool LL, hats off for this one!!!

    And nice to see ppl not whining abt a post.. 🙂 (yet?) lol

  36. Constanza says:

    Auto updater not working. And when you finally got it downloaded and you are in game you have a lag of about 5 seconds….. handy!!!!

    ok good thinking is the permission asker in yellow… gotta love that!

  37. shadow pointe says:

    That sounds great! But wouldn’t it cause a few problems if everyone is using different viewer versions? Just wondering.

  38. Constanza says:

    @ 30 shadow. Well you miss the updates that’s for sure and prob. you will miss some good ones aswell…. you have to see it like a IE version. When you dont update that one you will get bugs or problems with it in the future and you end up not able to use it anymore so you will be forced to get a new viewer.
    Updates aren’t bad, if they fix problems….. that is…

  39. Avonley Mills says:

    How very complicated sounding.. but very cool! I look forward to this!! It sounds very promising!

  40. CasiAnn Qinan says:

    Okay I have no idea if this is a good thing all I know is everytime Linden Labs does any kind of Updating they make things worse. Teleporting problems, Inventory problems, more lagging, group IM Failures. So let me ask when the idiots at Liden Labs realize “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”? So stop Fixing what’s not Broken cause all you people are doing is F*cking it up even more.

  41. Wolf says:

    lets wait and see . instead of whining and hoorays

  42. Hal says:

    I’ll put this here since Comments are closed in the actual thread – just downloaded the newest 1.17.1 client and it crashes almost everytime i try to use ‘Edit linked parts’.

    I’m using the Mac version on an intel iMac – and my advice to fellow Mac users would be AVOID this version for the time being!

  43. Blue Ritt says:

    That is AWESOME! Thank you LL! This will help problems in the future for when a version doesn’t work on your machine, but a previous one did. Very cool. Very revolutionary as I don’t know of any MMO that does something similar.

  44. Thank you very much for offering this to us ot be able to use. i am someone who does not want to download something if i feel that it is working well enough for me, and also because i worry about what the next download will bring. i wanted to be able to choose for myself what i download, and if i deside to download something, and this was just what i wanted. i and my family thank you for making our first and second life more liberated.

  45. Kelley Mayo says:

    Sounds great, but I’d be willing to bet when we download the new version, either logins, instant messages, friends list, search, linden accounts, or inventories won’t work correctly. Probably it will be very crash prone and there will be ungodly lag. It seems to happen this way every Wednesday.

    But why should I complain. We’ll soon have pretty skies and voice, two things I don’t care anything about and won’t use.

    Am I the only PAYING customer here who is disgusted with the way SL ignores MY preferences? Am I just a source of funding for exploring fancy innovations that most people don’t care about while the basics they do care about just keep going with the same old bugs? No, that can’t be. Just read the blog replies and comments over the last 3 months. Typical corporate America. Once you get their money, ignore them.

  46. Erbo says:

    Interesting! I wonder if this means the message protocol is moving to using a “self-describing” syntax, such as ASN.1, for encoding its data? Perhaps in conjunction with version numbers on the message types, so a client could easily say “I don’t understand version 4 of this message, send me version 3 instead” or something like that? I suppose I’ll just have to wait and look at the future viewer source code to try and find out…

  47. MarmelaGramela Doesburg says:

    Simply amazing..and the new optional update fails “likely because of a firewall running”…yeah right. I wish one time something would just function, but recently that does not seem to be an option anymore…

  48. Fasteddy Fairweather says:

    Kudos Amigos! This is better!

  49. Domine Diage says:

    Rooke Ayres, its called timezones, and alot of people have different timezones. IF you did realize this, then oh well, I’ve been waiting for Pure Pwnage episode 14 for the last two days, it was supposed to come out yesterday. Same thing, atleast you got it today, though … Heh. Im not downloading yet, but eh.

  50. Master X says:

    Our Linden people are hard working. We must give them whinings and hoorays. Asi que viva la liberacion. Paz para todo el mundo !!!! Viva Second Life !!!! 😉

  51. Paybak says:

    Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyay!

  52. Vincent Nacon says:

    @16 Norm Schack: I don’t think you will able to use 1.15, that’s long ago. They might be saying you can only use 1.18 and up.

    Seem like a great idea this time around for complainers.

    @35 Kelley Mayo: Do you know you have a choice to be non-paying account member? (Basic account) Plus, I didn’t see you writing up any good feasible features nor suggestion in JIRA. If you’re going to say “I don’t like JIRA”, well then you need to stop being selfish. Work your way up to get anything done or heard.

  53. Dana says:

    If this is a first step towards a stable core app with optional plugins/modules for the additional features, then I’ll be the first one to stand atop the nearest mountain and shout to the world that LL rocks.

  54. Sinclair Valen says:

    With all heartfelt sincerity, I say: Big Deal.

    I’m sorry, folks, but I don’t find this to be resolving anything terribly inconvenient. I hope that I’m mistaken and that the community finds this to be helpful and worth the development cycles… but I don’t.

    =SV

  55. Joshua Philgarlic says:

    Sounds cool, but I only believe what I’ve seen with my own eyes.

  56. Angel Harmison says:

    well i loaded the latest thing sent to us…. So far i have been crashed outta SL appx 6 times now… and when ever i go to edit it makes a loud screecing sound and kicks me there too,,,, then when i go to log in it wont let me..takes abt 2-3 times. can i get rid of this please

  57. Annecha Jun says:

    Great idea 🙂

    Thanks

  58. Thaumata Strangelove says:

    haha… people are so crabby in the threads here always. it’s amazing the way people cannot see the bigger picture to understand that there are many people in SL and not just them. 🙂

    i think this update is kickass. a lot of the time i really DO just want to stop in for a minute, to check mail or whatever, and don’t have time to update my viewer. also, rolling bug fixes (vs releases) are the way to go. all the best sites do it that way and i’m glad you can do it that way now, too. 🙂 thanks, guys!

  59. Suki Kyomoon says:

    The i cant update the new updates. It gives me a message saying that it could be blocked by a firewall. This has never happened before and i assume its because of the new way.

  60. Montana Corleone says:

    Well, sounds like a good idea, but let’s see if it actually works shall we before the new hoorays.

    So before, each time it changed, one code base, the same data. Now, every bit of the format will need to be matched up right? So if you use a different viewer, it knows which bits to send down? So if it gets it wrong at all, and sends the wrong bit, likely to crash the client more than it does now. So, all gotta be checked, not just when you login, but every time you change server… So seems to me, more spaghetti code, more data to handle, more things to go wrong, more lag, longer tps…

  61. Girly Riederer says:

    ok i dl the new optional update for the bug fixes and now when i go to edit something i crash about 90% of the time- that really needs to be looked at.

  62. Tsu Goodliffe says:

    Doe’s this give us the option to degrade to older versions as well, and I am honored to say this, This is one of the best moves linden lab has done 🙂 So I am pleased to state, Keep it up LINDENS!

  63. Wilhelm Neumann says:

    I can’t figure out jira and i am getting very frustrated (yes jira is very difficult to start a new issue with) please can you start programming for GTS series NVIDIA cards? I have a 7900 GTS which is incompatible with SL i went to replace it today and all I could find were 8800 ultra and 8800 GTS they had removed GS versions from the market. Since I wasn’t wanting to pay 1,000 for a new graphics card I walked away with an 8800 GTS which according to feedback is 100% incompatible with sl. This is making me beyond frustrated at this point because i cannot BUY a card without having it shipped from another country that is compatible with SL PLEASE start programming for the 7900GTS OR 8800 GTS & any other GTS series card out there your leaving out an entire family of very popular graphics cards 😦

    PLEASE i am officialy unable to run sl and just spent another 400 dollars on a card that is confirmed 100% incompatible with sl yet its one of the only two new generation cards on the market and the one people are most likely to buy where i am due to price tag 😦

    please acknowledge you have read this and no I can’t figure out how to start a jira issue if anyone wants to start one and post the link i wil show you my photos of what i get to see in sl and any other relevant information thanks 😦

  64. cnyreject says:

    OMG!!! Please before going to the next version stop and find out why I have crashed almost everytime i’m now on within 5 minutes I crash. I never crashed before. Now all I have to do is click on a prim and bang! Gone. Please fix these before moving upwards.

    Thanks for letting me get my frustrations out!

  65. Rich Gaudio says:

    Great to hear!! Downloading a new viewer every other week is trashing my disk space! Just make sure we know if its something that really does change the performance… and btw…. the Linden Exchange still isnt working :\

  66. Greta Umarov says:

    Now if you can just fix it so I can contact your support people…every time I try to access the support portal, it sends me back to the same page where I tried to log in. No phone number available either, when I call, I’m told that it’s no longer a working number.

    Lovely

  67. Greta Umarov says:

    Now if I can only access your support portal. Every time I try to go get help, I’m sent back to the login page. Phone numbers don’t work either. I’m told they’re no longer working.

    Lovely, just lovely

  68. Greta Umarov says:

    If this comment gets through I’ll be amazed. The last three sent me an error msg.

  69. Ishtara Rothschild says:

    I installed the new viewer today. The previous one worked fine, but now I can’t work anymore. Right-click + “edit” – viewer crashes. I can’t edit anything without a client crash. Seems like other residents have the same problem. Uhm… is there a chance that this will be fixed tomorrow? I really need to get some work done.

  70. Don Enfield says:

    Sounds great and good job on the last update, there is a very notable speed increase. I have even cought myself running around with my view limit set to 512 and not noticed until I see the buildings 2 sims over.

  71. Flack Quartermass says:

    Sorry this is a bit off-topic, but I’m curious..

    * Is LL still planning to make texture/object data transfers occur over HTTP in the future? And if so, is there a tentative timeline for such an update (i.e., is it in active development/back-burner/pushed to next yr etc.)?

    This would open the door for (home and/or ISP) proxy caching which would lower bandwidth and resource consumption (particularly for those of us in homes with multiple people running SL concurrently on a LAN), while increasing transfer reliability.

  72. calimero babenco says:

    Very cool

  73. Selkit Diller says:

    Impressive. Some news worth the front page, and good news at that. Oh, by the way… whatever happened to your plans to use documentation that’s quasi-legal at best for age verification, or the announcement about having residents play Big Brother on each other? Really, what became of all that… unfortunately, positive news only outweighs buried negative so far, because honestly? We’re still thinking you plan on springing a very unpopular idea on us by surprise, largely because you still don’t talk to your residents, face to face. Disappointing, and it sours good news like this.

  74. Flack Quartermass says:

    Another inquiry 😉

    * Will Voice be using new ports and IP subnets not listed in the knowledge base concerning firewalls? http://secondlife.com/knowledgebase/article.php?id=029

    If so, can LL update the subnets and ports/protocols list on that page?

    Thanks.

  75. Trail says:

    Im crashing everytime i click a prim or take something in inventory or something like that.. never crashed before when all those ppl had problems with crashing..

    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 Northwood (2639 MHz)
    Memory: 2048 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7600 GT/AGP/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3

  76. Flack Quartermass says:

    Re: I found the answer to my own post #51

    Here’s a comment on December ’06 by Zero Linden stating:

    “Using HTTP proxy caches for textures: Outside of Linden Lab’s networks, no. Access to textures still requires an authenticated, secure channel, and HTTP doesn’t allow caching in those cases (since the cache itself isn’t authenticated).”

    Source: http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/12/21/a-big-change-youll-barely-notice/#comment-102178

  77. Aodhan McDunnough says:

    This is good. Much less worrying about the “update crunch” where the entire population downloads the client just as the grid goes up, the downloading will spread out more and be easier for everyone.

  78. Fantastic, I was eagerly awaiting this change for months now… awesome work! For the ones that don’t know, Linden Lab has been working on this for months and months, and gradually, step-by-step, introducing all tiny details of this “under-the-hood-development”…

    It’ll also be nice to see if we can get much faster, parallel development of a plethora of viewers — regular, beta, first look with voice, first look without voice but with WindLight, and so on — all released assynchronously and without any “grid shutdown”. That would be fantastic!

    Being sadly used to lose half a day of work every week or so — since sometimes upgrades are re-scheduled — it means, for anyone using SL professionally, that you can never count on Wednesdays for doing any work. Now try explaining that to a customer who “expects” the Internet to work 99.7% of the time, and not “only” 80% of the weekdays!… Naturally enough, I fully embrace an upgrade method that uses rolling upgrades and does not require a full shutdown. Hopefully, we’ll see more and more of those, and less and less of “full grid shutdowns” in the future.

    Great work indeed. Thanks!

  79. Melanie Milland says:

    I sure hope that means I can stay with a viewer without that huge “Chatterbox”. I love my moduler UI and separate freindslist/chat history, don’t want the “improvrd” huge dialog…

  80. Ann Otoole says:

    What a huge step forward. Been waiting to see a major architecture change for a long time. Hopefully tomorrow will go well and we will all be back in at noon!

    Maybe getting the technical logistics out of the way will free up some time for Linden Research to deal with some huge and rapidly escalating out of control problems and make the TOS harshly cover blatant IP theft and use of bots and large numbers of concurrent connections to camp.

  81. Purple Ryder says:

    Bravo. Now what about Vista?

  82. ken rosenberg says:

    Since the updates will become more and more optional with this, can we have a change to the dialog asking if you want to download it?

    EG, instead of pausing the logon and waiting for the user, how about giving a message in one of those blue top corner dialogs after the login completes?

  83. scott Zucker says:

    OMG!!! THANKYOU!!!!

  84. anonymouse1 says:

    This is great news!!

  85. @ 60 Purple Ryder:

    SL works fine with Vista.

    Try updating your video card drivers. Many of the early Vista drivers have broken OpenGL support, ESPECIALLY those for ATI cards.

    For ATI (radeon, etc), go here: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

    For nVidia (geForce, etc), go here: http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

    For those poor souls stuck with onboard Intel chips, either get a real video card, or if you’re feeling lucky, cross your fingers and go here: http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/

    Good luck! 😉

  86. Glauco Barbosa says:

    Día de la Liberación IS TODAY HEHEHE

    LA LIBERACIÓN DEL BUG de la VERSION 1.17.1.0

    JUST BUG TO EACH HALF HOURS

    OMG, IXEMPT ME THESE BUGS SOME DAY

  87. Mimi says:

    This is excellent.. now I can wait with updates as long as I want ^_^
    (plans on staying behind some 1, 2 updates to see if they are worse than the current client)

    Are there any plans yet to fix the messed up alpha layers in secondlife?
    ht one exists at least fro november (when I joined) and is still not fixed

  88. Thraxis Epsilon says:

    One of the other nice things with the change is it will make it easier for 3rd party OpenSL clients to be made and maintained. Like if someone made a client that didn’t have the chatterbox, but still had voice capabilities… or some other features.

  89. Iris Junot says:

    lindens don’t read these anymore…

  90. Jonnyfx Pontchartrain says:

    For those experiencing crashes when attempting to edit with 1.17.1, go here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1369

    This happened to me once but I haven’t been able to reproduce it. But considering the number of mentions here, it does seem to be an issue.

    Sorry for the off-topic post, but I figured it might be a good way to get more people using the JIRA 🙂

  91. Raymond Figtree says:

    Speaking of viewers, are you aware the latest update is crashing like crazy? Talking to a Linden if any read the blob comments

  92. Raymond Figtree says:

    If I had read other comments I would have seen my post was redundant. My apologies to the department of redundant posts department.

  93. FireFox Bancroft says:

    There’s no problem running the production client on Vista but I can’t say the same about Beta’s or First Look.

  94. Wise Clapsaddle says:

    Way to to LL. Id been telling people to hold on for some big changes to SL over the coming months and this is the first of many i expect are now on the way.

    Thankyou so much for moving forward on your promise to impliment this months ago and congratulations on easing some of your client fears.

    THANKYOU!!!!!

  95. JeanGenie Jewell says:

    good! Great news!

  96. Bob Perry says:

    Sounds Cool! Let me say though, for the past two days, I have not been able to move inside SL. I’m lagging rediculously. Most important thing of all in SL, is probably to be able to play. Wouldn’t you agree? 🙂

  97. Jayden B says:

    mmm Steamed Cabbage 🙂

    Seriously though, yay, I’m glad this long promised (6 months now?) change has finally come to fruition. We will now be able to keep our old versions and backstep when the friday updates bork.

    WTG Zero, some good news at last.

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  99. Wyald Woolley says:

    Interesting!! I’m surprised that no one picked up on this, but if SL clients are no longer tied to just one and only one viewer then the Open Source viewer (when it is ready) is now a possibility in place of LL’s bug-ridden one.

  100. Strangel Bade says:

    The new version seems to work well–love the new color on warnings and such, noticed that it seem to function faster and more smoothly… however, I’m also crashing every time I try to edit an object. Added my vote to the JIRA post. Hope ya’ll will get this issue fixed soon. Until then, I’m going back to the older version, ’cause I need to get some stuff done tonight. *lol*

  101. Sabin Linden says:

    @ Iris Junot

    Yes we do. 🙂

    I’ll be posting in a little bit about the major changes you’ll all be seeing soon that relate to this. It may be a little confusing at first, but it is going to make bug detecting and fixing a smoother process.

  102. Rich Gaudio says:

    Well as soon as I read that there was an update I was going to download it… good thing I waited a while and checked back. Seems crashing is a big issue with this one… Ill wait till it stablizes 😀

  103. Flaerion Batra says:

    ;.; So when I elect to get the update, it won’t work.. and it’s not a problem on my end. Nice. 😦

  104. kasper bender says:

    are they adding an option so we can dissable the mandjendory updates

  105. Simba Fuhr says:

    Thank you LindenLab, this are good new.

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  107. Glauco Barbosa says:

    in edit mode only crash about half hour

    please, FIX this software

  108. Coventina Dalgleish says:

    Well this is all well and good but if it works like the rest of your updates it wont work either. Just downloaded your new viewer and can not log in.

    It has come to the point I am not going to pay the tier on a prorated bases for the times I can not log in

    Again more promises and no performance and a ton of BS to go with it

  109. Dirk Felix says:

    #82
    Dont worry, this is only a test ;-0

  110. Psistorm Ikura says:

    these truly are awesome news! – having the option to run several different viewers at once will surely silence some of the whiners (or hopefully. maybe theyll just find something else to prey upon… but then again it wouldnt be whiners but simply trolls :P)

    Im really looking forward to being able to run whichever client I like – and surely beta testing will be simplified a lot 🙂

    on another note, after reading the JIRA, I cant wait for the next windlight update – any eta on that?

  111. Tasrill Sieyes says:

    this is very very good. now when someone has there sl broke by an update they can rollback to a previous on and less down time. Two thumbs up at this bug fix and improvement. I’ll be waiting for the next bug fix that comes along *smiles*

  112. Wendy Forager says:

    I hope this will work, cause since last update SL is still recovering and friendslist is still not working proporly as does inventory. And that is every the case after every update Wednesday. So keep working on the fixes Linden and not fancy things as skies and voice. Again I put my idea here to give us an option for a live chat on your site so someone can chat with his friends inworld. No update Wednesdays that would be a day of liberation.

  113. barney says:

    Hallelujah! 😀

    (and a nice side effect is that Open Source projects like alternative patched clients or the libsl stuff can now keep track of the main grid much more easily, no need to do any forced updates there just because there is a new non-optional client on the grid)

  114. Sounds good. Next effort will be to learn to release patches rather than forcing full downloads. ^.^

  115. MP says:

    Thank you.

  116. Wow, didn’t see this one coming. Hurrah!

  117. The XO says:

    @ 60 Purple Ryder:

    Don’t use Vista, don’t use XP – don’t use Windows full stop! Try Ubuntu Linux – it’s fantastic!

    Anyway, on topic…. This is a fantastic development and represents a lot of hard work by LL. This will make everyone’s life easier and takes steps towards not having to shut the entire grid down in future. Nice work, way to go LL!

    I for one will always be updating my viewers and using the most recent version. Why? To help look for bugs and fix things, otherwise if everyone sits on an old client it won’t be much help.

  118. Stephanie Lemaire says:

    Thank god , I have avoid coming inworld for weeks because Just when the viewer was working perfectly LL forced us to change, I was seriously just about to come inworld to sell the last of my land. Having recently downgraded again. So ty maybe I won’t want to sell up everything now and will be much happier with my inworld experience.

  119. Kenny Stinger says:

    I like Bet the up date How About Real in world Help im still try to figuer out Y Ihavent got my 300 L$ this week Anougher bug i guess
    Arnt we pay for This or Are you guys to greadey Counting your Real cash ????

  120. kath McGill says:

    id be happy if I could open a note card. Or sit on something with out ending up in the corner of the sim with the rest of the stuff, or, log in and not have my avitar lose its clothing when Im in front of people. and uh, the hard one not to squirt soda through my nose? was the sex change of my Partner that happened a few times.
    You know what would help is if you TELL us what the optional update would fix. I know its your way to tweek things, but if it doesnt apply to us, we dont need it.

    Oh, and with all of these different versions, can they go into ONE folder instead of making their own and taking up MORE space.

    Last…
    When you say Bugs…

    Twice now I have found trojan virus programs in your files that my computer stopped from coming in. I know im not the only one to find this and a discussion with a Linden said, Yes, you have a virus in that folder deleat it run a virus scan and re install it…

    And Im not the only one. Other residents have spoken of the same thing but GEE now that we cant get ahold of any one to help and the bug fix emails say sorry dont reply to this, you wont get any answer from us. It makes it a bit hard to have fun here.

    Please fix THAT BUG!

    Kath McGill

  121. Psistorm Ikura says:

    @kath:
    fix WHAT bug? you ranted about several issues in this post. sorry to be so rude, but… theres the JIRA, its THE place to submit bugs and vote on them so they get fixed quickly. you dont toss an email at someone hoping itll stick. there are means provided, but if people dont make use of them, theres no wonder it wont get adressed.

    also, it might help if you wouldnt go “my partners sexchange” but at least describe what happened when and, preferably, even why. the other issues you described can be found on the JIRA. log into it, vote the issues up and comment what you experience. THAT is how to help the Lindens and get things fixed. shouting and flailing arms on the blog about “omg it dun werk” is NOT.

  122. Lozlo Peng says:

    yay \o/

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  124. jabath steuart says:

    good news, but such a major change in architecture will undoubtedly have some serious issues, i’m not looking forward to the next week or two, but overall it can only be a good thing.

    to those finding they are crashing after the update, i recommend manually uninstalling the older version and clearing your OS temp folders before re-downloading and installing the update

  125. Tillie Ariantho says:

    w00t!

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  127. Linda Brynner says:

    Wow, the best news I ever heard.
    Well, I must admit that lately ( at least for me ) the gird shows a
    very stable performance. This is important of course for all users,
    but being selling Real Astate in SL stability has always had worried
    and deep concerns.
    Well, let’s hope for the best in future.
    I have also discovered that develolpment of new residents is
    almost time linear aswell as residents logged in last 30 days.
    Ofcourse a seasonal effect should also be taken into account.
    All in all, future (over)server capacity needed should be very
    easy be prognosed by Linden Lab.
    This might at least solve the problems of lack of on time capacity
    growth.

  128. this is very nesseasry

  129. Ilmira Yesheyev says:

    #49 8800 GTS which according to feedback is 100% incompatible with sl…

    Since when? I run dual 8800 GTS is SLI on two machines and they are very compatible with SL.

  130. Ilmira Yesheyev says:

    Sorry…that was to poster 46

  131. Raban Laborde says:

    good news!

  132. pantaiputih korobase says:

    @94
    sorry, jira is too complicated to me…. we are not ALL computer freaks or specialists, we just want the program running based on the officially announced system requirements.

    topic: ok, would be possibly nice to be able to choose the version that suits one most and wait for nre releases to install until they work.

    off topic: everyday something else, right now, i can not even log in on different computers – I feel like in RL when our providers are not able to fix bugs – however, as compared to SL I get paid in RL. In SL I am just lookling for fun (and you get paid for) which is hard to find if you can not log in. sorry for whining (that’s for the enthusiastic fraction), but your Linden idea is to bring us fun (for money which we spend and we love to spend it if it works), so please just do so 🙂

    feel free to delete this post like you did already with others

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