First Look Update. New version available: 58537

Many of you have been asking, what is up with First Look: Render Pipeline Improvements?


You can read Josh’s posting for a complete status update, but the bottom line is, development is very busy on a number of scaling issues and other bug fixes, in addition to the work being done in First Look.

The good news is, First Look appears to be in pretty good shape, and the public testing has been very helpful in performance tuning and tracking down some of the more obscure bugs. Most of the issues we have been chasing down in the last week have been related to other fixes that we have been working on, unrelated to the rendering changes (although there is one major performance improvement in this release).

As Josh mentioned, many of the changes that are now available on the beta grid are also in First Look (only changes that do not rely on server side changes get merged into First Look however).

What gets released exactly when will depend upon how testing of Beta and First Look goes. I am going to stop trying to predict when exactly we will be satisfied enough with the testing to release this First Look but we still hope it will be soon :).

Also, for those who have been wondering if there will be other First Look updates after we release this one, the answer is yes. We already have several candidates in mind and expect that almost all Viewer feature releases will go through First Look before being released.

First Look 1.13.3.58537 is now available for download.

Thanks again for all of your helpful feedback.

-Steve

Release Notes for Second Life 1.13.3(58537) February 27, 2007

Changes:
* Modified texture animations to use hardware acceleration
* Improved framerate when rotating in certain areas that were lagging

From the main development branch since 1.13.3.2
(note: some of these were introduced in previous First Look releases)

Changes:
* User inworld money transaction history floater removed
** Transaction history can be viewed via secondlife.com
* Added ‘Empty Lost and Found’ option
* Added ‘Use Custom Port’ option to Preferences to specify network port
* Objects set for sale are Buy Copy by default (instead of Buy Original)
* Increased Classified’s maximum L$ payable from 99999 to 999999
* Added ‘?’ button next to Partner field explaining partnering

Bug fixes:
* Fixed single-click failure for objects
* Fixed status bar obscured when debug is off
* Fixed escape key behavior
* Fixed strange object counts in About Land when no parcel selected
* Fixed avatar animations when editing an attached object
* Fixed Offer Teleport appearing in your own profile
* Clicking a menu a second time closes the menu
* Fixed closing a blue dialog closes all dialogs
* Fixed Ctrl-P shortcut failing when inventory has focus
* Fixed objects using llGiveInventoryList spamming owner when recipient is Busy
* Fixed no copy objects disappearing when given via llGiveInventory to a Busy avatar
* Fixed objects failing to attach when selected from a distance
* Fixed replies to offline IM-to-email messages
* Fixed renaming a no-copy clothing item during Make New Outfit
* Fixed rezzed objects appearing at (0,0,0) if you have create rights, but are not wearing your title
* Fixed modify for gestures/notecards in a prim
* Fixed incorrect context menus for items in an object
* Fixed confirmation dialog when uploading immages, sounds, animations, or snapshots
* Fixed a viewer crash while taking an object
* Fixed a viewer crash after modifying a script inside a prim
* Fixed a viewer crash in People search with Picks tab
* Fixed a script runtime error (list inside a while/do-while loop)
* Fixed login screen not loading unless cache is cleared
* Fixed Ctrl-W not closing snapshot floater
* Fixed Ctrl-W not giving focus to next window
* Fixed Search->Places not showing public estate parcels while on private estate
* Fixed LSL converting numbers in body of email to 0
* Fixed rejection of avatars as sit targets
* Fixed blurry web browser widgets with UI Scale != 1.0
* Fixed notecards opened in tabbed windows extending outside the preview window
* Fixed opening multiple object inventory items not using tabbed windows
* Fixed accidental selection of highly transparent objects
* Fixed keyboard focus after selecting function dropdown in script editor
* Fixed Build button in toolbar disabled on land where ‘Create Objects’ is set to group, even when avatar is in the correct group
* Fixed Buy Dialog displays incorrect Prim Count when using prim multipliers
* Fixed folders not retaining their closed status once opened in inventory
* Fixed IMs of type IM_BUSY_AUTO_RESPONSE ignore mute
* Fixed World->Buy Land menu failures
* Fixed Friends list not displaying online friends on login if ‘Can see my online status’ is disabled
* Fixed menus remaining open when something else is clicked
* Fixed menus taking focus when leaving alt-zoom
* Fixed accidental loss of no-copy textures by applying them to a prim
* Fixed members of a group cannot set their home location when land is only set to a group and not deeded
* Fixed sitting avatar standing up when close are dragged onto the avatar
Linux client fixes:
* Added Linux embedded Mozilla client
* Fixed Linux client crash on shutdown

About Steve Linden

I am a Senior Software Engineer at Linden Lab. Mostly I work on improvements to the graphics engine used in Second Life, but I also have my hand in many other aspects of the Second Life code including user interface and internationalization.
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111 Responses to First Look Update. New version available: 58537

  1. Antonius Misfit says:

    Sweet! Downloading it right now. Oh… and I got first comment! 😉

  2. element says:

    thank you

  3. Usagi Musashi says:

    Thank you steve!!!!!!!! Really Its good to see there is a working class of lindens that just don`t sit on their title! Keep up the great work we are almost there!
    downloading now
    Usagi

  4. Thanks. SL’s unusable on Vista for me without First Look. 🙂

  5. ostara voskhod says:

    i hope i hope i hope this works for me. grabbing it now. the last 2 Fl clients have been progressively worse for me and now i can’t stay in world for more than a few seconds without a crash.

    my billing cycle’s up this weekend and if i can’t get it running on this latest FL/tomorrow’s update, i’m pretty much done for in second life 😦

    heeere we go…

  6. AllieKat Stovall says:

    Kevin. try to update your video drivers and the like. i can use the regular client and the FL client on vista home premium. i use them every day. i have no issues whatsoever. also it would help to see what you have under the hood instead of a vague off the wall comment about it not working. that way the “techies” can help find the reason why the regular client wont run on your computer.

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  8. Raven Axon says:

    So far so good. Esc works again and texture animations seem much better.
    Now for the negatives.
    What is with the new naming? (FIRST LOOK) ?
    ALL CAPS and ( ) in a program name is just EVIL, lol.
    Also it did not clean up the last First Look so the 2 got all mixed together in the same directory and when I clicked on my old icon I was running the previous version and did not even notice at first, lol.
    Then once I did, I ended up uninstalling both and reinstalling the new
    one again to get things cleaned up.

  9. Stacey Sugar says:

    This version doesn’t overwrite the old version, now you have TWO SecondLife First Look versions if you didn’t un-install the older one. Very annoying.

    Because the new one overwrites all the existing preferences, you might as well uninstall both and then reinstall the new one.

  10. Stacey Sugar says:

    Texture cache cant be more than 1000

  11. Darien Caldwell says:

    hmm, well at #8, it kept all my preferences. it just had a new icon on the desktop is all.

    But, Yay! the @#%$ Blue menu problem is fixed! And yes the Esc key.

  12. ostara voskhod says:

    well, here’s my story. i just did a clean uninstall/ install of 58537. just for good measure i wiped my nvidia drivers with drivercleaner and reinstalled the win xp 93.71 drivers. launched the first look and lo and behold! it is back to freezing up within the first 2 minutes or so, every time.

    until the machine crashes everything looks fine. textures and objects load lightning fast and my frame rate is around 20-25. then without warning everything will freeze. damn.

    i guess that’s it for me. i’ve been struggling with these problems for 2 months now and nothing is getting better. i hope the new improvements help you guys out there, i’m seeing lots of comments
    from folks who are seeing better performance and stability, but my mileage has definitely varied. i’m a little heartbroken to admit, i’m done wasting my time and my money.

    good luck everyone!

    here you go, once more for old time’s sake, my info:

    Second Life 1.13.3 (58537) Feb 27 2007 17:14:13

    CPU: AMD (1393 Mhz)
    Memory: 768 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce FX 5500/AGP/3DNOW!
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 0/761 (0.0%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

  13. Gillian Waldman says:

    I am very happy with it 🙂 Good job.

  14. >> * Fixed escape key behavior

    THANK YOU!! *happydance* =D

  15. coldFuSion Cheeky says:

    ESC works! 🙂

    Blue dialogs work!! 🙂

    Objects rezzed on land with no object entry are immediately returned to Lost and Found 🙂

    Texture animation is smooth again 🙂
    – Flex prim animation still stutters unless object has focus.

    TYVM for a release jammed packed with a butt-load of fixes.

    The aneurism I suffered over the past 2 releases does not appear to have caused any permanent damage. 😛

    Big THX to you Steve and your team 🙂

  16. Ike Herouin says:

    Has anyone taken a look at CPU usage on this versus other releases? I haven’t had time to isolate the new client as the source, but since I’ve been using it I’ve had three BSODs during use, all looking like hardware failures. I realize that hardware and cooling is not LL’s problem but wholly my own, but if anyone else is noting instability on heavily-OCed setups it may be a pointer to a leak or a problem with CPU usage…

    This is on an XP Home rig with a Northwood.

  17. Jillian Callahan says:

    Physical object updates are still slow, and aren’t being “smoothed” by the client. This isn’t fixed, nor acknowledged.
    https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-86

  18. So far so good, though there seems to be an alpha sorting issue with particles still. Yiffy Yaffle has an email to IM bridge that uses particles inside of a hollow cube with a transparent hole on each outer face. Not only does the particle show through the hole (as it should), it shows through the metal sidings that make up the box (which it shouldn’t).

    Frame rates are once again up a bit, 16 average in Serenity Woods’ sandbox. That’s in contrast to 12 average for the last revision. Turning also seems a lot less painful now, I can almost turn 270 degrees before my frame rate drops below 10. Escape working again is also a major plus. >D

    In a random accident I noticed that teleporting home is now very fast once again, not like waiting to see if my client would crash or not. I also noticed, since the texture console was open, that textures outside of my view are no longer being loaded. This was also evident when I teleported back to the sandbox with my glasses and I saw lots of bare patches in the world with no textures (or ground, for that matter). That’s both good and bad, in that it saves on memory and helps speed things up, but it makes the transition from indoors to full outdoors view a bit harsh, and my frame rate dove to 3 for a few seconds while the client got caught up again. It’s a hard balance to strike I guess. I can live with it as it is now.

    More updates as I discover stuff of note.

  19. Trilobite Reisman says:

    Hmmmm…. this release seems to be good and bad for overall performance on MacOS. FPS shoots far higher than the previous FL in low-prim areas, but overally walking around is kind of choppy. Walking around a varied region is little hiccupy… maybe the change in FPS can be smoothed a little? Walking round my shop got me higher FPS than usual, but the dip in fps when looking into the more hi-prim corner makes a bit of a “bump”…

    I can see this is better performance, but the surges and dips in FPS are a little jarring.

    Otherwise…. Niiiice.

  20. Yoleska Yallock says:

    Well, I’m happy the ESC bug is taken care of.

    But my only complaint is that textures (mainly on trees) are white. Even when coming in close to them, they remain white. I’m not sure if that’s what Feynt was referring to.

    I think I’m going to relog and then switch back. I’d settle for the ESC bug instead of missing textures.

  21. Johanna Hyacinth says:

    Well, the new dynamic reflections certainly don’t impact the frame rate much when they’re turned on, which will make a lot of people happy (while, naturally, drawing complaints from the people who wanted mirrors)! But I think perhaps they’re a little *too* fuzzy.

    Athlon64 3800+ (1GB) / GeForce 7600GS (512MB) / Linux 2.6.18-3-k7 Debian Etch

  22. Johanna Hyacinth says:

    Have the sunspots gone away? I’m not seeing them anymore.

    Athlon64 3800+ (1GB) / GeForce 7600GS (512MB) / Linux 2.6.18-3-k7 Debian Etch

  23. Farallon Greyskin says:

    THe periodic slowdoen to sub 1 fps when in thick prim or av areas is NOT fixed, infact is seems to be even worse than before. Happens more often and for longer periods of time.

    This is a showstopper bug. No release until this is fixed.

  24. On the topic of surging and dipping frame rates, I believe this is due to the client placing some kind of super high priority on texture loading. It’s a tough balance to strike, you either do it this way and you don’t see things as grey masses, or you make texture loading take a back seat to object rendering and things stay grey longer (not to mention things in a loaded area will initially be grey as you turn to look at them).

    I wouldn’t mind a way to choose a texture loading priority though. I for one could deal with stuff being grey for a couple seconds when I turn if it meant little to no frame rate impact.

  25. Johanna Hyacinth says:

    Ooh — the Linux client locked up on me, first time that’s happened in a while. Just before it quit responding, the following was printed to the console:

    2007-02-28T06:25:13Z WARNING: updateMeshTextures: invalid host for object: c592be2a-9b08-4eef-b291-d37dffe9fe68
    2007-02-28T06:25:16Z INFO: idle: Kills on unknown objects: 1
    *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x2379a021 ***

    Athlon64 3800+ (1GB) / GeForce 7600GS (512MB) / Linux 2.6.18-3-k7 Debian Etch

  26. Vincent Nacon says:

    * Fixed sitting avatar standing up when close are dragged onto the avatar

    Clothes… not close…

    AND THAT’S ABOUT TIME IT GOT FIXED!! WOOOT!

  27. 2k Suisei says:

    I agree with comment 18.

    My FPS no longer drops as much (according to the statitistics bar) since the latest First Look client. But I’m now seeing very choppy performance from the client. When panning around in an area with lots of prims, the client will constantly judder.

    Basically, overall performance in the normal client is still a lot better then the First Look client.

    The only reason why I use the First Look client now is because it doesn’t freeze every 30 seconds like the normal client has been doing recently.

  28. Sean H says:

    Woot, so many fixes and they all seem to work well (and I can shop again YAY)

    All of the annoyances I had *seem* to have been now addressed – a few days will tell of course, I’m off to first look island soon to do the benchmarks.

    Once again, keep up the bang-up job Steve.

  29. Cory Edo says:

    Few ongoing problems:

    1. New textures that are not applied to surrounding objects (i.e. someone passes you a snapshot or texture, or you upload a texture) still takes extraordinarily long to load, I counted 37 seconds from opening to having the texture fully loaded.

    2. HUDs that use transparency are having problems, to the point of not displaying half of the prims that make up the hud. I’ve put up photos of a recently finished HUD that displays this problem, with Main Viewer vs. First Look comparisons:

    http://tinyseadog.com/firstlookbug/firstlookhudbug.html

    As a side note, I completely uninstalled all other versions of SL off my computer before installing this new First Look, with the exception of the main viewer. (So any other First Look viewers, the old Sati and Aditi grid viewers.) This had the strange effect of removing my preferences from the Main Look viewer the next time I logged into it. Not a showstopper, just thought it was odd.

    **system specs**
    WinXP Media Center Edition
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
    2 GB RAM
    nVidia 7900 GT/GTO
    ***************

  30. jenni Briggs says:

    Please bring back the larger cache it worked so much better or at lease give 2000MB or 4000MB

    CPU celron 2.66
    Ram 1 gb
    ATI Radeon 256mb 9550
    Win XP SP2

  31. Zi Ree says:

    * Fixed sitting avatar standing up when close are dragged onto the avatar

    *faints*

    And here I thought I’d never see this issue being fixed! I *need* to try this once I get home and the grid is back up!

    Judging by the change log this release must be a *huge* improvement! I’m anxious to check it out.

    THANKS! SO! MUCH! 🙂

    Zi

  32. Sean H says:

    A new bug, if you open the full map and just leave it sitting still any water which is in the sim, say ocean or a large lake will become transparent and the objects in SL will show through.

    Mac OS X 10.4.8 Intel

  33. A lot of things seem to be working better (graphics especially ;), but, I now cannot see any transactions that have occurred yesterday at all (on the website)… I hope you guys get the transactions up to date and in realtime like the floater was… its not very kewl NOT being able to see business I have transacted until 2 days later 😦 Patience is a virtue, I understand this, but having no access to a current history makes doing business VERY unfriendly…) We can only hope something is done about this IMMEDIATELY, or commerce WILL begin grinding to a halt… (yes, I know they say something will be done about it, but it is NOT functioning correctly now, and we are expected to try FirstLook for feedback, but for a business owner, that’s really not a feasible option at this point if you want to have a current history) LL PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP 😉

  34. Captain Gemini says:

    Tommy, the transactions history was removed deliberately. (See Changes list). I read somewhere this had to be done as it wasn’t scaleable for the future growth of SL. Transactions can be viewed on the web site. I think I am right in this statement. Apologies if I have misunderstood.

    This latest update works great for me though 😉

    Thanks Steve and the team.

  35. Thanks Captain, I appreciate the insight (NOT facetiously said ;)…But none of my transactions are viewable from 2 days ago on the website trans. history… Small thing; wanting to see how much business you did 3 days ago… and cant 😦

  36. Louise Santana says:

    WAAAAAAH! I CAN’T PLAY SLINGO!!!!

    For some reason the textures on the blocks at the bottom of the machine do not render correctly… they display the wrong numbers on them, until you successfully click on a square…. Only happens with this version of the viewer… how odd!

    CPU: Not supported (2934 Mhz) [Actually Intel Core2 x6800]
    Memory: 2048 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7950 GT/PCI/SSE2 [x2 running in SLi mode]
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 8/15027 (0.1%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

  37. Kenbro Utu says:

    Very smooth version of First Look. Texture animations are very smooth now. Frame rates up nicely by about 30% plus. Particle angles are fixed in the First Look viewer, something I had missed before. What I did find was Select Texture changes the texture of the entire prim instead of just the face that is selected. It will change the color for only the face selected though.

    Second Life 1.13.3 (58537) Feb 27 2007 17:14:13

    You are at 252885.0, 318302.1, 22.0 in Plush Elektra located at sim363.agni.lindenlab.com (69.25.104.49:13005)

    CPU: 0.13 micron Intel Pentium 4 (2448 Mhz)
    Memory: 1024 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Graphics Card: RADEON 9700 PRO x86/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.6287 WinXP Release
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 186/264176 (0.1%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

  38. Ole Wiemeler says:

    A new bug, in this version it`s not longer possible to edit selected textures correct, always all sides are changend.

  39. Khan Kimban says:

    Thanks for the release. This release fixes the texture animation problem described in in https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-89

  40. Suzi Ah says:

    From a very quick look this seems to be the best yet! All my HUDs work, textures rez really quickly, escp key works again, well done folks! I’m a happy camper! Oh and the voice announcement? Wow can’t wait! Big hug to all the backroom boys and girls!

  41. Khan Kimban says:

    Oops, spoke a little bit too soon. This release fixed VWR-89 but broke my object that uses llSetPrimitiveParams ans PRIM_TEXTURE as a parameter. I can show you the bug if you need to look at it.

  42. WarKirby Magojiro says:

    * Fixed sitting avatar standing up when close are dragged onto the avatar

    HEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You LIE. This has NOT been fixed. I’m STILLL standing up when I change clothes. >_

  43. WarKirby Magojiro says:

    ! My post got truncated?

    Please fix the “Avatar standing when clothing is changed” bug.

    *grumbles angrily*

    WarKirby

  44. Gillian Waldman says:

    I still have the same issues that Cory Edo does (#27) with textures. So it’s AV textures (Steve explained this to me) but yes, also with snapshots and try clicking through a vendor with loading textures – takes about 45 seconds to load.

    @21 – I got 27 FPS in Ahern Welcome Area full of bling, flexis, and particles and still held steady at 27 FPS except while turning, which dropped it about 10 FPS and then went back up. I would say that’s pretty good.

    Windows XP Media Center (SP 2)
    2 GB RAM
    Nvidia 7900 GS
    Intel Core Duo

  45. Johanna Hyacinth says:

    Ugh – not only does “Select Texture” change all the faces instead of just the ones selected, but if you subsequently click “Cancel”, only the selected faces revert to their previous texture; the unselected faces retain the unwanted texture.

    Also, when applying Bumpiness, if you change the bump type to something that hasn’t already been displayed by the client, the prim (or selected face) goes smooth (if there was already a bump on it), and the desired bumpmap does not appear until you deselect the prim or face.

    Athlon64 3800+ (1GB) / GeForce 7600GS (512MB) / Linux 2.6.18-3-k7 Debian Etch

  46. Usagi Musashi says:

    Well I opened up as RUTH when logging in. Not a good sign for this client 😦

  47. WarKirby Magojiro says:

    AAAAAAAAGHHH.
    Johanna Hyacinth is right. just tested it.

    You BROKE select texture..
    How could you…

    How am I supposed to work on my castle now?

    Please release an emergency fix. I REALLY need that tool.

    In the meantime, I’m going to try setting textures via script instead. It only takes 10x as long to insert a custom script into every prim, specify the face, and then remove the script again after texturing..

    WarKirby

  48. Johanna Hyacinth says:

    WarKirby – you can still drag a texture from your inventory onto a particular face, and it will set the texture only on that face.

    If you wanted to do multiple faces in one shot, I suppose you could select the prims you want to affect, *deselect* the faces you want to have the texture on it, select the texture, and then hit “cancel”…

    Kind of a silly way to do it, though…

  49. WarKirby Magojiro says:

    Also, after av textures have already fully loaded, it keeps unloading and then reloading them. Meawhile, linden foliage, and some avs are stuck perma blurry.

    Avs that are trying to load keep stopping halfway and resetting to blurry textures. Reloading again every few secs and never making any progress.

    i have nothing good to say about this update so far.

    WarKirby

  50. Micah Giha says:

    With 20K users, textures seem to be processed in a better way. Will have to see if this holds when 30K+ are logged in.

    Blue Box Bug Bashed!

    Already two crashes in half an hour (first one after less than two minutes in world). Crash logger batting .500.

  51. WarKirby Magojiro says:

    Ah. Scratch my last comment. That was my fault. Forgot to set GPU memory. I’m used to the preferences carrying over.

    WarKirby

  52. hugsalot says:

    I gotta say.. it’s running perfectly stable. All my HUD attachments work. No crashes yet but it’s only been an hour.

    CPU: AMD (2411 Mhz)
    Memory: 2048 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 6800 GS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 52/270274 (0.0%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

  53. Elisha Paklena says:

    Clothes changing still unseats me too — doesn’t matter if I right-click and wear an item, or drag it onto myself. I haven’t tried dragging an entire folder of an outfit on myself; will try that later, but individual item still unsits me. Haven’t tried removing something, either.

  54. Elisha Paklena says:

    Ohyeah.

    CPU: 0.13 micron Intel Pentium 4 (2261 Mhz)
    Memory: 1536 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 (Build 2195)
    Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Graphics Card: RADEON 9200 Series DDR x86/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 1.3.1030 Win2000 Release
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 2/951 (0.2%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

    When I test again later it’ll be at work (heh) on my work laptop so I’ll see how it behaves there.

  55. Gryphe Padar says:

    After going “Wow” at the long list of fixes, I can honestly say this release has boosted my performance. Keep up the good work so that we may all profit from it. (In either a mental or financial way.)

  56. Nigel Paravane says:

    I’m seeing the select texture bug as well as the rainbow colored Full Bright object problem.

    CPU: 0.13 micron Intel Pentium 4 (2400 Mhz)
    Memory: 1024 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce FX 5200/AGP/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.1

  57. Lilly says:

    I still can’t edit group owned & shared objects.
    Inspect window is still empty unless I right click again on the object i want to inspect.
    But this release runs much smoother than the 2 previous ones. Goood 🙂

  58. My alts are displeased by the voice announcement. Our RL self can do my voice…and also Merrilee’s… but not the voices of the other 3 of us. Not yet, at any rate.

  59. Mark C says:

    STILL no water rez fix. STILL no fix for hair in the crotch and shoes up the ass. What is the matter with you people?

  60. Azrael B. says:

    Mark C Says:
    February 28th, 2007 at 7:40 AM PST

    STILL no water rez fix. STILL no fix for hair in the crotch and shoes up the ass. What is the matter with you people?

    Uhhh….maybe they haven’t ided the bug yet?

  61. black says:

    make it so we can link more stuff together that would be much better i cant make nothing good out of 270 links it sounds like a lot but not really for me also when things are 2 far apart there would be way more cooler stuff on second life you they’d fix that

  62. Gillian Waldman says:

    Mark – water is fixed in FL I believe….at least, I haven’t had that bug since I started testing the FL viewers over a month ago.

  63. Valkyrie Eclipse says:

    A bucketload of fixes, then the 2 major showstoppers that make this version unusable for any business owners – applying texture to specific faces is broken and the transaction history is removed before the web site transaction history is current enough to be usable on a daily basis. We can’t tell just our customers to come back in 3 days for an answer, you know.

    This version might be ok for those that just want to play around in SL, but for anybody trying to get serious work done here, this version won’t do it either. 😦

  64. Nad Gough says:

    My guess is that hair and shoes up the arse indicate that the values set that locate these items to your various points are reading 0 (which I assume is the ass position) or less (and therefore finding the ass as a unvalued attachment point). And it happens after TPs. Hmmmm, something in TP (under some unknown condition) is stepping on the location values for attachments. Does this give you (LL) sufficient information to debug? You might try displaying the location values of all attachments before TP and then again after. I hope these tips will help you track down and squash this bug. It’s an embareassedmeant to anyone it happens to in particular and an embareassedmeant to LL in general. Ya’ll are lookin into this, right?

  65. Darien Caldwell says:

    “* Fixed rejection of avatars as sit targets”

    Does this mean you can sit on other people now?

  66. Barbarella Fuosing says:

    PLease can you fix the bug that prevents us playing Slingo? Makes hosting extremely difficult:-( Otherwise.. superb fps… and flexi prims seem better too..

  67. Savonah Madonna says:

    First Look 1.13.3.58537 BUG:

    While editing an object you click select texture and it textures the intire object, not only the face that you highlight.

    NOTE: I really hope the blue menu problem if fixed on this version. It cost a lot of money to me by not allowing me to accept purchased items once the “You paid L$XXX”

    Also one notable instance I seen with that bug was that it didn’t cancel them perse, more it made them invisable. IF you had 2 or more blue menus drop and you clicked the top one it didn’t cancel them. How I know this is because every blue menu that opened afterward had the “>>>” lines depicting there was another meny under it, but when clicked was unable to see it. SO it seemed it was there, just invisable. At least thats how it looked.

    Sav

  68. Ketra Saarinen says:

    Any word on Sim Caps? I’m curious as to where that went.

  69. Kathy Morellet says:

    I had installed this viewer while Maint was happening. Sure glad I checked back here before logging in. Building a new house and that select texture bug would have been a real killer.

    Going to use previous FL until this is fixed. Hope it is real soon.

  70. Ravenna Soothsayer says:

    I’m on an Intel iMac 20″ with 256/2g, and FL viewer has been pretty bad in terms of framerate, but this version is just unusably bad. 😦 Textures load almost instantaneously, which is really nice (the alpha sorting is particularly bad, though), but trying to move around at all, anywhere, means an immediate drop in framerate to a slideshow.

    Motion and animation is lovely in the regular client. Textures of course take forever, but I’m so happy to be able to move that I don’t care.

  71. Lynn Silverstar says:

    Aside from one crash when teleporting in the first session, I’m liking what I see here. Rezzing is much, much faster, and avatar textures hold for long enough for me to get snapshots now, which is great as I’ve got a need to have more than myself for modeling store products, and having the textures derez within 30 seconds before was making that problematic at best. Now, it seems to take upwards of a couple of minutes.

    No framerate improvement noticed, but since I’m not there to do combat, that’s a non-issue right now. 😉

  72. Sascha says:

    The dates in the group notices archive are still screwed up and not working.

    And yes, if i sit and change clothes I stand up. on login the huds still don’t position correct – after a reattachment, yes.

  73. Steve Linden says:

    Regarding:

    * Fixed sitting avatar standing up when close are dragged onto the avatar

    Sorry, I copied a bunch of changes that came from Beta, but forgot to prune out the ones that require a server side fix, including this one.

    Regarding the the Texture Face bug: we’re working on it. Please keep in mind that this is a test version and identifying bugs like this is the whole point. (This was a side effect of the texture animation optimizations).

    Thanks for the feedback!

    -Steve

  74. Funk Schnook says:

    If noticed that it takes a while to rez after I TP. If I open prefs and move the network bandwidth slider up and down by tiny amounts, everything rezzes super fast.

  75. Maya Remblai says:

    Rainbow full bright is still there, and my building work is completely halted in this version thanks to textures not changing when I apply offsets.

    The blue box bug fix is welcome, but it’s not worth stopping my building work.

    /bugreports

  76. C10D says:

    Firstlook is a test version, really?
    I will tell you iam using only first look when it cam eout, the performance is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better then Alpha version, i will never go back to that!
    Firstlook is always running very good on my system, and don’t mind much about those bugs to much, maybe beacuse i never have seen else and born with it, LOL.
    The refresh performance is much more important to me to have a nice gameplay (!).

    WINXP SP2
    AMD X2 4600+
    2 GB memory
    Radeon 1950 – 256MB (sapphire)

    Driver Packaging Version 8.31-061011a-038529C-ATI
    CATALYST® Version 06.11
    Provider ATI Technologies Inc.
    2D Driver Version 6.14.10.6648
    Direct3D Version 6.14.10.0448
    OpenGL Version 6.14.10.6174
    CATALYST® Control Center Version 1.2.2475.36837

  77. Sarah says:

    Ok, BUILDER issue..

    I cant isolate texture sides and retexture them separately… and almost f’d up a friends house. It textures all sides even if only one is selected, I got B*d at by a house seller cause he told me I was an idiot that didnt know how to isolate them.. but I then realized its this client.

  78. Aston Hildyard says:

    Still getting texture flashing/rainbow colors on my desktop machine (with an nVidia 6600GT)… will submit a bug report later.

  79. Sarah says:

    Sorry just noticed the all awareness of the texture face issue.. I got B*d at, I had to B* back..

  80. Dzonatas Sol says:

    This version appears worse. Vendors on the wall are now disappearing/blend into the wall behind them. That was the first thing noticed. Previous first look versions did not do that.

    XP
    MX440

    Also my HUD items keep moving every time I restart.

  81. Ralph Doctorow says:

    I’m getting repeated cases where I TP somewhere, arrive OK, then a few minutes later the TP is repeated, but very slowly, sometime several minutes to TP back to exactly the same spot.

    CPU: 0.13 micron Intel Pentium III mobile (1862 Mhz)
    Memory: 1280 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Graphics Card: MOBILITY RADEON X300 x86/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.5077 WinXP Release
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 1247/108493 (1.1%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

  82. Felicat Fairymeadow says:

    errr… escape key fixed? i still can’t use it… shift+escape takes focus from chatwindows, but does not center the cam on my avatar

  83. Micah Giha says:

    Felicat. for some reason this build has (for WinXP) a slightly different name and does not over-write the previous exe file. You might still be using the old version unless you uninstalled the previous version first. I have heard of this happening when people use their own shortcuts rather than the ones made by the FL installer. Confirm that you are loading 58537 on either the log-in screen (lower left corner) or from the menus Help>About.

  84. Micah Giha says:

    Correction to last post: the version number is in the “lower RIGHT corner”.

  85. Felicat Fairymeadow says:

    @Mica: Thanks for the hint 🙂 that solved it ^^

  86. Web Page says:

    HUD objects move after relog.

    Bah

  87. Stone MacAlpine says:

    I too had problems playing Slingo. It appears to me that the texture is not updating after the animation has stopped. It seems to be showing the last animated frame instead of the proper number.

    Maybe try playing with animated textures truned off. I would have tried it myself, except I did not think of it at the time.

  88. Siria Wilder says:

    SLOW!

    Though it seems to run stable now, I think it has framerate issues. I started in a laggy sim, but with few people around me. And I did not move, so what I saw stayed nearly the same for over an hour. I started with 13fps and ended up with 5 fps. (Amd64 3500+, 2GB Ram, Ati X850)

  89. Siria Wilder says:

    Oh, please forget my last comment. I was caught by the version trap that is decribed above, this should have been 58100.

  90. Ravanne Sullivan says:

    Can’t change clothes, can’t TP, not sure if its the viewer or just the maintainance didn’t fix anythng.

  91. Raudf Fox says:

    I noticed something in building. Select Texture is texturing the WHOLE prim, rather than just the selected surface. For some reason, I couldn’t bug report it (bug reporting wasn’t working), so I’m posting it here as I swap to the regular viewer.

    XP machine with a ATI Radeon X300

  92. Micah Giha says:

    I think there are grid issues right at the moment (2:35pm PST) with failing log-ins and over 4K fewer users online in just 20 minutes.

  93. Zebadee says:

    yaaay its all broken again! that maintanence was really worth it huh!

  94. Sarah says:

    OK IM SICK of this.. I get something done requested by a friend in photoshop, its NEEDED within an hour. So I log out, get it done, log in.. after 20 minutes or so I succeed. OOPS I LIED. Im a friggin invisible avie, NO LIDINES, so I cant upload. Im stuck in this main crappy client because this NEW crappy client cant edit the textures how I need to. PLEASE fix one of them FAST.

  95. Germaine Aquacade says:

    good job LL, u close the comments as u know SL runs like shit again.
    still no tp’s and now no loggins. ur voice chat is a good idea, but lost manpower with all that instable grid. sorry but u need to set prio’s !

  96. liea says:

    anyone know why i cant login?

  97. Arnold Wilder says:

    great, inventory doesn’t work, money doesn’t work, tp’ing doesn’t work, and I’m out hundreds of L$ again, great job you are all doing over there with the maintenance that was supposed to fix exactly these problems

  98. Paula Langset says:

    Well, I just discovered an inconvenient bug in “Appearance”. In most categories (not in “body”, but I presume in all the others) images just reflect the actual state of the avatar, not how would it appear if the cursor was moved in each direction. So basically all the pictures are the same, less the different view angle.

    This is annoying per se, but most of all for non-English speakers, very unlikely to know every single human shape word…

    I cannot tell you much about the computer, it’s not my own. I can tell you it’s fast. I’d very muck like to go inworld and submit the unit to analysis, the world, however, doesn’t let me in from half an hour…

  99. Group sales are still screwed up…
    They dupliate, are out of date and limited to only a few.
    Its impossible to tell what sales are if you have enough of them… which is a customer service nightmare.

  100. Closer re-read… WTF?
    * User inworld money transaction history floater removed
    ** Transaction history can be viewed via secondlife.com

    The transaction history on the website is BAADLY lagged sometimes by days at a time. Without the in-world transaction history, I (and many others) are … [insert colorful metaphor here]

  101. Case Young says:

    Trying to change the texture at only 1 side of an object by select texture changes texture on all sides, changing back to previous texture with the same selection changes only the selected side back.

    CPU: Not supported (2999 Mhz) (P4 Prescott old HT enabled)
    Memory: 2047 MB (4 x 512MB @ Dual Channel Mode)
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 6800 GT/AGP/SSE2 (Forceware 97.92)
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.0
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)

    Greetz Case

  102. Case Young says:

    Deleting rezzed objects set to no copy fail even if i confirm deletion in the following dialog box. I had to take it back to inventory where i can delete them.

    CPU: Not supported (2999 Mhz) (P4 Prescott old HT enabled)
    Memory: 2047 MB (4 x 512MB @ Dual Channel Mode)
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 6800 GT/AGP/SSE2 (Forceware 97.92)
    OpenGL Version: 2.1.0
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)

    Greetz Case

  103. Bruce Patton says:

    First Look without Open GL. First Look froze on two occasions after about 30 minutes online, followed by Second Life (not responding). My Internet connection was fine all the time.

    Second Life 1.13.3 (58537) Feb 27 2007 17:14:13
    You are at 239492.2, 268148.6, 23.3 in Motu Aruo located at sim271.agni.lindenlab.com (66.150.245.207:13003)
    CPU: Not supported (2993 Mhz)
    Memory: 1024 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 6600/PCI/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 55/4201 (1.3%)
    Viewer Digest: cffd076f-4eae-bbee-2b0d-054855f9d0fc

  104. Louise Santana says:

    ok Steve, I got a bone to pick with you! You come to test this texture problem on my slingo machine, now, without even playing the damn machine, you have the highest score!!! You are just too lucky my friend! Never played Slingo, my ar*e! hehe

    Good luck tracking the bug down…

  105. I just have to say that I have been using First look since you offered it for download. I have had a few issues since I started to use this app. but over all? I have had no serious issues such as not being able to sign in on my avatar. As we all know since the last update I have yet to sign in with LadyRose Luna on the regular build. I have worked with you all and over the phone even. The bottom line is I am still unable to log in with LadyRose Luna. I understand that this isn’t the place for this complaint. But to prove my point…. The First Look is by far the better build to date!
    Have a good day! *kisses* LRL

  106. Argent Stonecutter says:

    Well, it looks like they’ve turned the transaction history around, to the point where the one on the website seems up to date but I have to transfer money in-world to make sure the amount on the menu bar is real.

  107. Barbarella Fuosing says:

    CPU: Not supported (2926 Mhz)
    Memory: 1790 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7950 GX2/PCI/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 11486/1539679 (0.7%)

    Further to slingo problems.. I deselected the ‘animate textures’ as suggested, but it was little, if any help. The numbers do not roll (just appear) and many are shown incorrectly. Sometimes if you click every number, the correct number does show. Sometimes numbers at bottom do not show, but show as multi-coloured lines. 2 devils in one round occured.

    Otherwise.. I get very high FPS.. nearly 200 in quiet areas and rezzing is almost instantaneous. Still having some problem with flexi prims, but on the whole a great release – apart from the Slingo problems.

  108. Barbarella Fuosing says:

    WOOT:-)

    Slingo fixed.. Thank you… can host again now:-)
    Shame about gestures not loading, but reboot fixed that thankfully:-)

  109. Relk Akula says:

    If this isn’t on the TG I will script a floating, shouting, hovertexting and notecard giving picket sign.

  110. Barbarella Fuosing says:

    econd Life 1.13.4 (59315) Mar 16 2007 15:02:11

    You are at 261555.1, 231463.3, 130.5 in Ungseokbong located at sim398.agni.lindenlab.com (69.25.104.84:12035)

    CPU: Not supported (2926 Mhz)
    Memory: 1790 MB
    OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce 7950 GX2/PCI/SSE2
    OpenGL Version: 2.0.3
    LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.10_0000000000)
    Packets Lost: 113/54463 (0.2%)
    Viewer Digest: 8110326b-0ee4-c532-bdd1-423d70a70d70

    Please, please, please.. can we have the unlimited cache back? Rezzing was instantaneous with it, now it takes forever.. should not be like this:-(

    Also.. whenever I right click any object that gives light all the light becomes visible.. very annoying.

    And.. I am crashing everytime I TP.. seems to be TP > move > crash…

    Previous versions of FL have been much better for me than the current one.. Alpha issues back again too:-(

  111. Felix says:

    No soporta my video car drive a my juego Second Life Porque si es XP de Compaq Presario Help

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